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Until we have a view of the actual contents of the boxes it's hard to form a meaningful opinion on the value they represent.

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Everytime you say that a gremlin dies.

guess I need to say that a lot more then! :)

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Oh, I have no idea how many spiders there'll be. I'm just saying that I expect those models, not Howard Langston. Or, at least, that's what I'm hoping, since I already have two Miss Steps, one for Ramos and one for Levi...don't need a third copy of that particular Rare 1 model.

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I wonder whats in the Marcus and Ramos boxes, both more expensive then the other starters (this is not a whine) maybe Cojo sneaks in to make the Marcus box the same as the art, and maybe Joss joins Howard in the Ramos box?

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For Ramos, I think that we'll be seeing Brass Arachnid, Electrical Creation and Joss, similar to the Vik kit.

Mmm, I don't find a single EC worth messing up a box, since: It comes from an upgrade of your choice, not binding. It still will have a 3x Box, since it's now hirable and no more rare 1(and I don't think you'll be requested to buy 3+ times a 50$ box, to have more of them xD). So to be a vaguely useful number, in the box there could only be a trio of them, and since it'd be an easily droppable adjunct, I don't think they'd be there at all. Obviously IMHO.

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I'm a bit surprised at the cost of some of them. Fuhatsu and the Lone Marshal are $40 and $35 each? Ouch. For a plastic mini, that is getting pricey again. Wonder if they are not plastic then?

I am feeling your pain. I also appreciate metal models as well as plastic ones, and I have heard the excuse about having to switch to plastic to keep costs down. But that simply isn't true.

Even if the Nephilim set is 2 young and 1 mature for $40 that is more expensive than metal- you can currently buy excellent versions of those in metal for much less at retail price. The Mature is $16 and a two pack of Young is $16.50- total price, $32.50, or $7.50 less than "cheaper" plastic.

Fuhatsu, even if he has three extra guys on his base, works out to $10 a head. That is equal than or more than many of the metal miniatures in the Wyrd store. You could say that it could be justified due to a "scenic base", but keep in mind that Jaakuna is on a solid 50mm base of awesomeness for only $18.

The Lone Marshal is $35? That is equal to the cost of Levi's mounted metal avatar and the Pale Rider, and more expensive than the $30 Dead Rider. Unless there are multiple models in that box it is badly overpriced.

Pandora at $40? The current metal set is $33. Even if the new plastic one includes an extra model that pretty much just breaks the models even with metals.

This is especially irritating as I have stuck up for metals in the past, and I have had the whole "they needed to move to plastics to keep prices down" bit used on me. Looking at the pricing on these sets pretty much proves that argument to be nonsense.

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Favoring Plastics vs. Metal based on cost of the models is a weird argument.

The up front cost of going to plastics is pretty steep, depending on the complexity of the mold. Once you've got the mold made the cost of pumping out each individual unit is cheap, but unless you're going to be producing LOTS of them does the up front cost spread out to make the models actually cheaper to produce. A skirmish game like Malifaux is not going to be selling huge quantities of any particular model. So If they're breaking even with the change over in material/process, I'd call that a pretty good deal (especially if you prefer plastic to metal).

The prices on the metals are likely to decrease further as the plastic replacements start hitting the shelves and shops start trying to offload the "obsolete" models. So if you really like the older sculpts, it's going to be a great time to pick them up.

-DavicusPrime

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I'm fairly sure it was said at the time of the book four metals that the price increases for metal weren't being put through to old releases in the same way as new metal.

With this in mind the final metals (book4) are more expensive than those in the earlier books. For example a Warden is $18.00, compared to the slightly larger Guardian $12.50. Pale Rider is $35.00 and the larger Peacekeeper $25.00.

Perdita Avatar is $45, so a $40 Fuhatsu is not out of line with existing metals.

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Honestly, you keep going on as if you know our business and state your background as a reason for XYZ. You don't. I could call you out on another dozen things you haven't a clue or privy to, but unless you're in the office with these decisions, you don't know why or what. You're opinion of course is your own, that being said, this is three threads now where you feel the need to voice it, over and over.

You've been heard. Didn't make a difference in the plastic or the pricing, or going back to metal.

The Mature Neph alone is MUCH bigger than the metal one ever was. Same with the Young Nephs that are in that package.

You keep pointing at the metal figures and their prices - we haven't bothered changing their prices because it's stock that is there and was put in quite some time back. We could easily go back and update the prices to reflect where they 'should' be at the moment, instead, we continue to sell them till we're done.

While I understand your love for metal - you're beating a dead horse over it. We're not going back. The prices aren't changing. If you feel that it's a bad deal and you're not getting your monies worth, then I would very much suggest looking into another game.

Fahatsu - that is three figures and quite a bit of work sculpting and mold wise. It's also a Rare 1 figure. It gets sold once to a potential customer - not multiple times as say perhaps Bells or even Death Marshals. Pricing does come into affect for that - it has to.

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...If you feel that it's a bad deal and you're not getting your monies worth, then I would very much suggest looking into another game.

And, I suspect, finding the prices no better, if not worse. :-P

I'm playing Malifaux because of being priced out of a different company's games and for the merits of the game itself. Compared to the rest of the industry, the pricing is fair and the relatively low model counts this game requires means a very reasonable cost of entry. For the cost of just keeping my rulebooks up to date with a certain company's game I used to play, I got into Malifaux with three different masters and a variety of add on models.

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I dunno, the price points of these releases doesn't really seem that off to me.

In comparison:

Infinity with metal models

A box starter set: Six models, about 50 USD

http://infinitythegame.com/store/en/nomadas/773-corregidor-jurisdictional-command-2805620004166.html

http://infinitythegame.com/store/en/haqqislam/292-hassassin-bahram-2804380002276.html

Single infantry models will run you about about 12.50 USD

http://infinitythegame.com/store/en/nomadas/333-tomcats-2805250001597.html

More unique models of the same size run slightly more expensive at around 14 USD

http://infinitythegame.com/store/en/nomadas/732-moderators-multi-sniper-2805580003865.html

Large intricate models will run a lot more. The Iguana (which I want to buy and paint even though I am awful at painting and don't play Infinity...but man is that sexy) will set you back about 60 USD (though it does come with a pilot)

http://infinitythegame.com/store/en/nomadas/835-iguana-squadron-2805650004389.html

Similar model, 55 USD.

http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2013/miniatures/anaconda-squad/

MERCS with metal models

Probably the cheapest overall skirmish game to get into since you buy a starter pack and maybe two models more, tops, per faction.

Box starter set

6 models and dice, 65 USD

http://store.mercsminis.com/products/fcc-black-ops-deal

Individual models, 10 USD

http://store.mercsminis.com/collections/fcc

Dark Ages with metal models

Starter box varies greatly.

15 models for 60 USD

https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/catalog/product/view/id/7981/s/dragyri-warband-14/category/141/

6 models for 40 USD

https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/forsaken-warband-6.html

8 models for 60 USD

https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/catalog/product/view/id/7985/s/outcast-warband-8/category/141/

Prices for individual models vary greatly.

http://dark-age.com/shop/

DUST Tactics/Warfare plastics

DUST Tactics is varied, with unit boxes of 5 models ranging from 20 USD to 30 USD. Bare in mind this is the old FFG page (it now belongs to the guys that do Flames of War) and this is pre-price hike which Paolo Parente and crew have told everyone to expect.

http://store.fantasyflightgames.com/showproducts.cfm?FullCat=233

I'm not seeing that much of a huge price disparity compared to companies like GW. Plastics seem to be cheaper on a per-model basis than metal for comparably-sized sculpts, though I'm not looking too hard into it. Nothing in Malifaux's price range tops the highest price points of games like Infinity or Dark Ages. Of course, different companies employ different strategies. The Dark Ages box with 15 models, for example, is clearly just an attempt at getting you to buy into the game at about 4 USD per model. So there's concepts of loss leaders to take into account. Most companies seem to price their models in accordance to performance, since "better" or more "elite" models seem to outprice their more basic compatriots.

All in all, I don't really think what Wyrd has said about it's change to plastics seems out of sync with what the market is presenting the gaming community, at least at a quick glance. But I mostly just quickly google'd these during lunch break, so that's all open to discussion.

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The prices seem pretty consistant with what we've seen, some of the odd prices for models coming in the next few months may make more sense when we see the sculpts.

Personally, If the quality of sculpts stays high, and the cost stays consistant im ok. The design of the game itself lends itself to be a cheaper game even if the prices are comparable to other games in the industry.

All in all, id prefer it to be cheaper, but if staying on par with other companies prices keeps the business side healthy and the company growing it seems fine to me

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