rgarbonzo Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 So'mer - Cache 4 Lenny - None Skeeters - None Bayou Gremlin - Squeal changed to High Pitched Squeal (after resolving not after damaging) Piglet - Set'er Off reworded Brewmaster - None Whiskey Golem - None Apprentice Wesley - None Moon Shinobi - None Ophelia LaCroix - LoS added to Eyes Closed Rami LaCroix - None Raphael LaCroix - None Pere Ravage - None Francois LaCroix - :masks trigger on Loose Trigger changed to a :crows Young LaCroix - None Warpig - Set'er Off reworded Hog Whisperer - Cost 5, Df 4 Slop Hauler - None Pigapult - Rare 1 Fingers - Wp 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balefirestorm Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Bayou Gremlin - Squeal changed to High Pitched Squeal (after resolving not after damaging) Squeel is now also "away from Attackar", and not "directly away from Attacker". Like the change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Away and directly away are synonymous in the new edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Hog Whisperer was boosted to Ml6 too, wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypoking Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Significant changes to Ophelia's upgrades have been noted elsewhere. Do It Like Dis no longer requires LoS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Don't mind me. Just putting those Hog Whisperers away in a place never to be seen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonconstruct Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 sad changes to hoggy, really excited for Ophelia changes and guess fran kinda did need a non-automatic infinite trigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypoking Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) Because I'm fond of of beating dead horses, here's the redundant details on the Ophelia changes; -Threatening gun currently gives youngin's a range 10 beat sick class damage flip. At least until the inevitable errata, max youngin allotment is advisable, it doesn't matter if they can barely hit the broad side of the barn when they can blow a third of the barn away with a glancing hit. Still, I'd advise people not to get to attached to it. -Move it, on the threatening gun's card, lets Ophelia trade her zero for a fourth generic ap. Great for offense, great for scenario play, great for mobility. Occasionally it's going to be usefull to get other Kin to focus or drop tokens but more frequently I think its going to be just another way to leverage Ophelia's basic stat stick. Nothing about this not to love except that it's probably going to have her base zeroes collecting dust. -Your turn, on jug rocket, is kind of a photo negative of Ooh, a girl. Occasionally she'll use this to throw Rami into a crow's nest or put a youngin into a firing position, but used selfishly it is a resource free, unconditional 8'' teleport that requires no setup. It takes Ophelia's already superb mobility and puts it into the stratosphere. edit: Hooch igniter also does stuff. Though to be honest I've yet to see it come up. Edited August 26, 2013 by hypoking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darguth Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 -Move it, on the threatening gun's card, lets Ophelia trade her zero for a fourth generic ap. Great for offense, great for scenario play, great for mobility. Occasionally it's going to be usefull to get other Kin to focus or drop tokens but more frequently I think its going to be just another way to leverage Ophelia's basic stat stick. Nothing about this not to love except that it's probably going to have her base zeroes collecting dust. I don't have the cards or rulebook in front of me, but are you sure she can target herself with the action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypoking Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Ophelia is a friendly kin model within x'' of herself to whom she always has los. I don't see how she can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darguth Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Ophelia is a friendly kin model within x'' of herself to whom she always has los. I don't see how she can't I honestly wasn't sure how the "within X" of" clause worked when trying to target yourself with an action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Wording wise it works, but, and I could be wrong, I don't think given how lethal she is that they intended to give her basically 4 AP, personally I *think* it is an over site . Misaki, who was the model with the most AP last edition, still kind of can do similar, but she has to be in melee, and be attacking a model that already has the Stalked Condition. RAW it works, but it seems off to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypoking Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Oh, I agree wholeheartedly Fetid. It's pretty well implied that the kin-ergy zeroes were designed to replicate existing utility within the crew and not turn Ophelia into a jet-pack-toting, lever-action, murder machine. RAW is what it is though, and there's very little ambiguity about what the rules say. If she gets errata'd in November than she gets errata'd. Personally, I think that the threatening gun is at the very least in for a change. Untill then though we can only play what's on the cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Those Ophelia upgrades sound ace. Can't wait to see them on the cards proper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgarbonzo Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Not sure if Threatnin Gun will change or not. Sure it gives the Young a attack action at 4/5/6 damage with a TN 13 Horror Duel if they hit. If they hit, they are at Sh 4 on the Attack and actually brings them in line with the Right Between the Eyes spell that they would use in 1.5. Not only is the Avg Df a bit higher than 4 but the Young are incredibly squishy and easy to kill. Since this is the only upgrade that doesn't get discarded, it's one that I will regularly use. The Last Upgrade is Hooch Igniter and it deals 1/1:blast :blast/1:blast :blast damage. This attack ignores cover. Everyone damaged by this attack will suffer Burning +2. Ophelia get a tactical Action Move and Burn where all friendly Kin models in 10 with Paralyzed or Slow lose those conditions and gain Burning +1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Actually, its less than the old Right Between the Eyes since (most importantly) you can't use stones to buff the total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypoking Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 To give a text an author is to impose a limit on that text, to furnish it with a final signified, to close the writing. Such conception suits criticism very well, the later allocating itself the important task of discovering the author beneath the work: when the author has been found the text is 'explained' - Victory to the critic... Classic criticism has never paid any attention to the reader; for it, the writer is the only person in literature. It is irrelevant whether or not it is fun, whether there is past precedent, or even whether it is balanced. What matters is that the upgrade exists in direct opposition to the established aesthetic. For that sin alone it will be corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranhamoose Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Don't mind me. Just putting those Hog Whisperers away in a place never to be seen again. The increase in price may also have something to do with what they're planning for Ulix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darguth Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 The increase in price may also have something to do with what they're planning for Ulix. I'm not that all concerned with the cuddles. Hog Whisperers are back where they should be: Pig support pieces. Rather than the universal objective grabbers and melee mini-wombats they were before. Their tactical actions are still absolutely superb if you want to run a Pig list and with Pig Feed on Somer and a single Hog Whisperer you'll have plenty of Hog Whispering to blanket the board with, lots of movement shenanigans with Sooey! and Tossed Feed, and Stik'm on a War Pig is still really great. And, yes, we have to also assume these changes were made with Ulix already in mind as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgarbonzo Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Actually I figured the changes were because he is a Mercenary and liable to show up in a multitude of lists. He still can herd pigs for Marcus but I think he was seen as a better objective grabber for 5 stones than other factions have. I think that has been toned down a bit now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy in Suit Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Thank god the whisperer got changed... I was really going to hate myself running 2+ hog whisperers in all my lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgarbonzo Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Well you still can but at an investment of 6 stones. Depending on faction there can be better options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 I'm liking the Igniter on the Young. Quick model that can pass out Burning. Nice. Also, the prime choice for actions with Kin when using 'Move It!' will be movement or Focus, since no duels are involved. Makes Raphael a much more attractive choice with the (basically) free Focus action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDarcy Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Ophelia LaCroix - LoS added to Eyes Closed I received my rule book just today and it looks like she is no longer limited to hiring only gremlins. Can anyone confirm or deny that? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darguth Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I received my rule book just today and it looks like she is no longer limited to hiring only gremlins. Can anyone confirm or deny that? Thanks. Correct, she is no longer limited. Though she has no support for non-Gremlin models really, so there's little reason to bring Pigs with her. But that may change in Wave 2, who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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