vonevilstein Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Vapormancy is golden, I rarely leave home without it. It has several uses, firstly it's her highest Ml, so against high Df models it gives you an extra option. Secondly you can use it against your own or your opponents low Df models to generate the blasts that hand out +1 burning to models around her. This gives her her own method of generating the +flip on tiger claws for everything that is near her. Finally as pointed out above, the trigger on Tiger Claws or Jackhammer to Vent steam is absolutely priceless. Bear in mind that Vent Steam is a negative flip per use on all attack actions that use Ca or Sh not just shooting. So with Vapormancy+Seismic Claws is not improbable for her to railwalk+jackhammer+vent, vapormancy, tiger claw everything around her with +flip and then vent steam again. Against some crews this is really horrible. For the third upgrade I go for defence. I usually take Misdirection if Ten Thunders, or if Arcanists I'll take Siphon Essence/Price of Progress for depending on what I'm facing. Edited January 16, 2014 by vonevilstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonevilstein Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Vapormancy is golden, I rarely leave home without it. It has several uses, firstly it's her highest Ml, so against high Df models it gives you an extra option. Secondly you can use it against your own or your opponents low Df models to generate the blasts that hand out +1 burning to models around her. This gives her her own method of generating the +flip on tiger claws for everything that is near her. Finally as pointed out above, the trigger on Tiger Claws or Jackhammer to Vent steam is absolutely priceless. Bear in mind that Vent Steam is a negative flip per use on all attack actions that use Ca or Sh not just shooting. So with Vapormancy+Seismic Claws is not improbable for her to railwalk+jackhammer+vent, vapormancy, tiger claw everything around her with +flip and then vent steam again. Against some crews this is really horrible. For the third upgrade I go for defence. I usually take Misdirection if Ten Thunders, or if Arcanists I'll take Siphon Essence/Price of Progress for depending on what I'm facing. Edited January 16, 2014 by vonevilstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rythos42 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I've been running Seismic Claws, Philosphers Stone and Imbued Energies. That alpha strike turn when I chuck the Stone and Energies for 2 cards and Fast and is fantastic. At the same time, as someone mentioned above - with her extreme mobility she's excellent at scheming. VonEvilstein is making me want to look at Vapormancy again though... I usually discard it because she doesn't need another Melee option, but you're right about Ml7 and burning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rythos42 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I've been running Seismic Claws, Philosphers Stone and Imbued Energies. That alpha strike turn when I chuck the Stone and Energies for 2 cards and Fast and is fantastic. At the same time, as someone mentioned above - with her extreme mobility she's excellent at scheming. VonEvilstein is making me want to look at Vapormancy again though... I usually discard it because she doesn't need another Melee option, but you're right about Ml7 and burning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rythos42 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I ran with Vapormancy, Arcane Reservoir and Imbued Energies last night and regretted swapping Seismic for Vapormancy by the end. >.< Pandora was 1Wd away from dying for Assassinate by the time I ran out of AP to toss at her! AR is kind of awesome. Expensive at 2ss, but awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupusFerreus Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Was it the schemes/strategy that went against your selection? What were they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rythos42 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Excellent question! I took Line in the Sand and Assassinate. I also had Bodyguard, Frame for Murder and Deliver a Message available. We were playing a custom strategy that required a fair amount of movement. And it could be that I needed to be facing a horde crew for the action, or a more shooting/casting crew for Vent Steam (although I did enjoy this trigger - caused a lot of negative flips). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupusFerreus Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 I'm having trouble getting combinations off at the moment, it seems like she's got so many triggers I can't figure them all out! Are there any good obvious combos I'm missing? Also, I'm getting the impression she' better at taking out minions than masters. Am I right? Does she prefer group combat to solo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Wall Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 I certainly see her as great for killing minions, but having a though time killing off masters. In the games I've played Mei she is great at hurting a master but never has the power to kill them out right. I've also found her Df to usually be 1-2 too low to rely on her Df trigger. I really like her play style, but I think I'm playing her a bit off. My new idea for her is to charge a master at the start of an activation, then use rail walker to escape. In the past I have used rail walker to move up the table and charge from very far away. Maybe waiting an extra turn and using it as an escape plan will work out better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupusFerreus Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 I'm finding she outpaces her crew quite quickly. Considering spiders for quick jumping, but with no way to recreate them I'm not so sure. I'm finding her crew lacks a certain punch, bags of tricks other crews seem to have and getting shot before getting into combat. But then again, I suppose it's just me thinking the grass is greener on the other side of the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Rail golem, rail workers and miss step pack plenty of punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Vapormancy is golden, I rarely leave home without it. It has several uses, firstly it's her highest Ml, so against high Df models it gives you an extra option. Secondly you can use it against your own or your opponents low Df models to generate the blasts that hand out +1 burning to models around her. This gives her her own method of generating the +flip on tiger claws for everything that is near her. Finally as pointed out above, the trigger on Tiger Claws or Jackhammer to Vent steam is absolutely priceless. Bear in mind that Vent Steam is a negative flip per use on all attack actions that use Ca or Sh not just shooting. So with Vapormancy+Seismic Claws is not improbable for her to railwalk+jackhammer+vent, vapormancy, tiger claw everything around her with +flip and then vent steam again. Against some crews this is really horrible. For the third upgrade I go for defence. I usually take Misdirection if Ten Thunders, or if Arcanists I'll take Siphon Essence/Price of Progress for depending on what I'm facing. Wait, can you stack several vent steams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverEnding Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Just popping my head in for some info. I'd like to know what the best objective claimers are for Mei in your opinions. Also any thoughts on union miners/ the firestarter as a way to hand free burning to the Rail Golem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconrider Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Never used the firestarter or union miners but from experience metal gamin make good runners. They buff your crew for a few turns then venture alone to run the schemes. They are probably one of the tankiest 4ss minions around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Emberling is good for scheme markers and stuff too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rythos42 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I use Metal Gamin as objective runners for mid-board objectives. They have very little going for them in this regard except that they are very difficult to kill and very cheap as Falcon says. For longer-range objectives, I use Firestarter (Flight+Reckless+Wk5 is speedy), December Acolyte (starts in the corner) or the Emberling (Wk5+Incorp+3ss is cheap enough I don't care if he does nothing else ). As for the Firestarter adding Burning to the Rail Golem - I have done this a few times, but I haven't been really overjoyed with the result. When I take the FS, it's usually because I want her running/gunning/dropping Markers. Spending one turn shooting the Golem so he can be a little more killy is often not a great use of her AP. The other side of it, is that the Golem tends to have enough Burning on him by turn 2/3 to do what he needs to do. In fact, if I have more burning on him turn 2, I'm more tempted to let him out range the rest of my attacking crew members, and then he dies. With fewer burner I'll hold back until turn 3 and then Locomote all the way in. Having said that, if I was facing a horde crew with Turf War, I'd be really tempted to push up the Burning on him for the vent boiler (0) (or whatever it's call, rarely use it). Burning for everyone! I haven't used the Union Miners yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osoi Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 The Emberling, Steam Arachnids and a Pair of Molemen are usually my first choice in objective running with Mei. The molemen are independant and dont need babysitting so you have 2 activations of just achieving strats and schemes with them, the emberling is also the same whilst also having a nasty counterpunch with a Cg of 9 and handing out burning. Steam Arachnids just go wherever you need them beacuse of unimpeded as well plus being a cheap construct they provide a 'port point for Mei and Railwalker. Metal Gamin are my 'hold' models they are always rockstars and always perform well when the rest of my crew works around the solid rock a pair of them provide. I tend to prefer Howard over the Rail Golem as he is a little quicker and more deadly plus I dont have to worry about building him up in any way ... he just works out of the box and if I have the stone to spare Imbued Energies is astounding with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Wall Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 I've actually used saber tooth Cerberus pretty well with mei for objectives and schemes. He keeps up well with her speed and if you keep him in range for vent steam it helps him survive. Lot of SS to invest though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matney X Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 So, this may have been covered alreay -- I haven't been over here since Beta 2 started -- but if the Emberling hangs out next to the Rail Golem, does the Rail Golem not lose Burning when it uses Locomotion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Emberling only say that models doesn't remove burning at the end of the turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Emberling only say that models doesn't remove burning at the end of the turn. Which the Rail Golem doesn't do in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sholto Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Does Vent Steam negatively affect Mei's own Vapormancy attack? It would appear to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Only if you do things in a stupid order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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