thaehl Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Now personally I've been playing for a while and find some serious love for the hidden bits and pieces they hide in their models and their fluff, some are so blatant that I think that most if not all are purposeful. So I'm gonna compile a list of these bits that I've found, post some more if you can find any, It's really quite fun. Let's start with the obvious, Sue - Obvious Johnny Cash reference Gremlin power (Deliverance) - Gotta be a shout out to the classic bayou hick horror Bete Noir - Her name is a slight variation of the French slang for pet peeve. The Honey Pot- The name of the casino and brothel in book 4, is an interesting one, Honey Pot is Japanese slang for a certain female reproductive organ, fitting for a brothel. Run 19 (fluff in book 2) - Has a lot of similarities to Flight 19 the disappearance of pilots on a routine training drill. This one is a bit long- Coppelius ability (unexplained connection) - This says that Coppelius can be hired by Hoffman, this is because Coppelius is the original name of the sand man, who is a book written by an author who's last name happens to be Hoffman is described as stealing the eyes of children and feeding them to his children on the moon, hence the abilities (remove eye) and (The Crescent Moon) If anyone has any more I would love to hear em, I think I'm forgetting a few but best of luck to ya! Happy fluff hunting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hateful Darkblack Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Collodi is the author of the story Pinnochio. Stitched Together very much resemble the Oogie Boogie Man from Nightmare Before Christmas. Hamelin is the town where the Pied Piper is from. Burt Jebsen and his ridable pig are a bit of a homage to Big Trouble in Little China, with Jack Burton and his bigrig called the Porkchop Express. Lazarus is a character from the Bible who dies and is brought back to life. Jack Daw is a reference to a jackdaw, a kind of bird related to the crow. Mei Feng's crew of rail workers is a reference to Chinese-American rail workers in 19th century U.S. history. Edited September 25, 2012 by Hateful Darkblack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaehl Posted September 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 @ TedPro I knew bout' the stitched, Hamelin, and Lazarus, but the other escaped me. I adore the Porkchop Express can't believe I missed that, and the Jackdaw is really interesting too. NEAT! Thanks I'll add these to my arsenal of factiods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranhamoose Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Wong is also a parody of a character in Big Trouble in Little China Town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Metal Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 The fluff character Arthur Van Stoker is a spin on the vampire hunter Van Helsing and his creator Bram Stoker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Fattness Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 You might want to get a spoiler tag on that as it is the twist at the end of that tale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alviaran Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 You might want to get a spoiler tag on that as it is the twist at the end of that tale. It's only a spoiler when you point it out. From the first time they told the characters name I assumed it was a reference to that character and the author. How those came to be is the delightful twist, but the name itself didn't give it away despite figuring out the origin of the name right away. I just assumed Wyrd pulled the name from somewhere like that as an homage. Nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Burt Jebsen and his ridable pig are a bit of a homage to Big Trouble in Little China, with Jack Burton and his bigrig called the Porkchop Express. . It actually says 'Porkchop Express' inside the War Pig. The male Gunsmith is Il Duce from Boondock Saints' Alternate Seamus is an homage to Bruce Campbell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbowsher76 Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 The fluff character Arthur Van Stoker is a spin on the vampire hunter Van Helsing and his creator Bram Stoker. Actually he is a mix of Van Helsing and Sherlock Holmes, Van Helsing in Dracula by Bram Stoker and Sherlock Holmes by Arthur Conan Doyle (Arthur Van Stoker, get it?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarcXON Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Von Schill is a shout out to Ferdinand Baptista von Schill who was a Prussian officer that revolted unsuccessfully against French domination. His forces were called the Freikorps. Kinda clear cut there EDIT Also kinda obvious but we forgot to mention Seamus, the Mad Hatter who is a mix of Jack the Ripper and the Mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland. The Masters pretty much have some relationship to some motif or another. Edited September 25, 2012 by DarcXON 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borzag Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 If we're including parodies from book 4, the Desparate Merc story had Wild Bill and Calamity Jane (don't remember their fluff names; at work right now). Also, is HPL still the front-runner for "Who is the Dreamer"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausplosions Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Justice is blind because, well, "justice is blind". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybaris Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Lilith is clearly a reference to antique mythology and religious litterature. She appears in the bible as Adam's first wife until she slept with an archangel...which could explain the cherub appearance of some nephilims). In many modern settings, Lilith is the first vampire (e.g. Vampire the Masquerade from the old World of Darkness, True blood, tc.). If you read the wikipedia on Lilith, you can even find one story (Gilgamesh's epic) that tells about a spirit that lives in a tree, so her avatar clearly taps into there. The same wikipedia page also explains the references to the lilitu. Railroad Workers: More machine than man could be a Star wars reference when someone describes Darth Vader) Bete Noir: Just to correct the information previously posted. The expression Bête Noire in french is not a pet peeve, it's more like your own personal worst nightmare or challenge. For example in Malifaux...you may be a great player, but that player X always seems to get the win against you (even if he's generally less good at the game). He's your bête noire. Roger Federer (Tennis) has a lot of trouble with Tuomas Berdych (lost 4 last match up vs huim) even if they are far from equal. Berdych is definitely the Bête Noire of Federer. Edited September 25, 2012 by Sybaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korrosion Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Dead Man's Hand is a shout out to wild bill hickock (I'm sure I spelled that wrong) who was killed while playing poker and had a hand of eights over aces with a mystery 5th card that no one knows. Leveticus is a book in the bible which has as one of its main themes the idea of sacrifice. Ashes and Dust, "ashes to ashes, dust to dust; in sure and certain hope of the Resurrection to eternal life" which fits the fluff about A&D living forever in book 2. Lelu and Lilitu according to wiki on the page for lilith: "The vardat lilitu demons. The word lilu means spirit in the Akkadian Language, and the male lili and female lilitu are found in incantation texts from Nippur, Babylonia c600 BC in both singular and plural forms.[25] Among the spirits the vardat lilitu, or maiden spirit bears some comparison with later Talmudic legends of Lilith.[26][27][28][29] A lili is related to witchcraft in the Sumerian incantation Text 313.[30]" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Pandora is character from mythology who had a box that when opened unleashed all the evils into the world. Also, together with Lilith and Zoraida she makes part of the witches circle of The Hag, The Mother and The Maiden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darios Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Female Gunsmith is Trinity from Matrix Movies... the Riders are a reference to the biblical Apocalyptic Horsemen Misaki has some ring of Mulan to her... oh i forgot: the Ronin are 3 of the Viper Assasination Squad from Kill Bill the Punk Zomies wear iconic 80-90s subculture dressing (Gothbondage ala the Crow, Exploited Punk Style, Male Longskirt...) Seamus Avatar is the incredible Hulk. Edited September 25, 2012 by Darios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaehl Posted September 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Forgot this one, Zoraida's influence seems to be from Baba Yaga, an old witch from Nordic mythos, this seems further proven by the chicken legged hut they used as an early gencon demo table, as baba yaga has an identical hut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darios Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 an old witch from Nordic mythos, MÖP! Baba Yaga is an Russian Myth, not a nordic one... big difference there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybaris Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Easy ones: McMourning can be linked to Dr. Frankenstein Rafkin could probably be linked to Dr. Jekyll (from the Strange Case of Dr.Jekyll and Mr. Hyde). The Hooded, Mechanical, Dead and Pale Riders can be linked to the four riders of the appocalypse, as well. Random attempt: Kaeris could be an ironic reference to Icarus (name similarity), who wanted to fly but had wings of wax...and got burned by the sun (wax melted). Kaeris wields fire and flame, and has wings of metal. Edited September 25, 2012 by Sybaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sincli'era Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Seamus Avatar is the incredible Hulk. Seems more like a doctor jekyll and mister hyde thing to me than the hulk. He looks very similar to the one from League of extraordinary Gentlemen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas Cordell Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Lilith is clearly a reference to antique mythology and religious litterature. She appears in the bible as Adam's first wife until she slept with an archangel...which could explain the cherub appearance of some nephilims). In many modern settings, Lilith is the first vampire (e.g. Vampire the Masquerade from the old World of Darkness, True blood, tc.). Not to derail this too much, but what version of the Bible is this from? I have heard this statement before, but I've never been able to find it in an actual Bible. On topic, Lucas McCabe seems to be based on Indiana Jones: a treasure hunter with a bullwhip. Edited September 25, 2012 by Silas Cordell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Not to derail this too much, but what version of the Bible is this from? I have heard this statement before, but I've never been able to find it in an actual Bible. On topic, Lucas McCabe seems to be based on Indiana Jones: a treasure hunter with a bullwhip. The really old one Lilith is the serpent somtime Honey pot Why do put honey in a honey trap, because it's a trap Also sort reference to the drug brilliance Colette, Zatanna? They own a star theatre as well Mr games and Mr Tannen, mobsters also brains and brawn Most of Kari spirits Japanese spirits of the same name Lady J is base on a comic book charactor (i don't know who) Samuel Hopkins, Matthew Hopkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRC Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Lilith is from the Jewish tradition. The Internet will tell you more that you could possibly wish to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96p Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 The Hooded Rider is not just one Rider of the apocalypse (a concept that seems to be developed long after book 1 was released) but the sun chasing Rider from the Story about Baba Yaga. Lelu and Lilithu are obviously Inccubus and Succubus, Demons that are made responsible for wet dreams. Alps are... well nightmares as depicted in many paintings sitting on the chest of sleepers. The Insidious Madness as the Pandora avatar are typical lovecraft creatures. Victoria wears the Masamune, a sword from asian myth (may be masamune was a real swordsmith, not sure about this one) The rogue necromancy is a chimera there was a real french showgirl by the name of dubois if I remember correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Lelu and Lilithu are obviously Inccubus and Succubus, Demons that are made responsible for wet dreams.So that's what it is..............sorry Mom, it's the Succubus I swear! Victoria wears the Masamune, a sword from asian myth (may be masamune was a real swordsmith, not sure about this one) He was real. Masamune is widely known as the greatest swordsmith in Japan's history. His blades are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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