Cornelious1424 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Instead of the continuation of this convo in Calmdowns Resser thread, I guess we can come down into the bayou for a little shine. I actually havent played my Gremlins in months, so this will be a fun thread for me. Maybe it will convince me to bring them to Gencon this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozz Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I like the title of this thread, amused me so shall watch with interest on the tricks people have with them, as i have just got mine, need to paint and base them, and buy a few more pigs then im good to go and abuse the tricks i see on here:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiku Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Read my threads; all the information is hidden in them. I don't think I did anything at the tourney yesterday that I haven't discussed publicly here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I'm not going to discuss it particularly because it's been discussed before in various parts, Spiku's threads, and others. The fact that Gremlins are considerably broken at 2 points is nothing new, the fact that GremlinOrtegas are epic is nothing new, the wonder really is that no one has picked them up competitively for any significant amount of time and they seem to be flying under the radar. Mark my words; in a few months time, people are going to be crying for Gremlin cuddles left right and centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Cornelius paid his dues....playing Gremlins from the start. Pretty much playing every game in hopes of achieving a draw. Once Ophelia came out....wow. Crush!! I play Perdita a lot and I used to beat him so easily that I felt bad. Using Ophelia is the extreme other end of the spectrum...he hardly breaks a sweat putting Perdita in the dirt. Kin seriously over compensate for the original Gremlin weakness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiku Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Kin are not the lynchpin of why gremlins are so strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I love how everyone thinks this is an Ophelia thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy in Suit Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I don't have the patience to paint the same few sculpts a half-dozen times - so will not be breaking gremlins, kthx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Just to add, I've just ordered £150 of Gremlins too - and Calmdown is right, this is not an Ophelia thread *wink* Edited February 20, 2012 by magicpockets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 £150? Madness! The fact I've probably spent that much this year so far is neither here nor there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiku Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Well I've got like, 150 soulstones in that case I had ;3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 ^^ That's a lot of Gremlins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I love how everyone thinks this is an Ophelia thread I love how I am everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 The fact that Gremlins are considerably broken at 2 points is nothing new, the fact that GremlinOrtegas are epic is nothing new, the wonder really is that no one has picked them up competitively for any significant amount of time and they seem to be flying under the radar. Mark my words; in a few months time, people are going to be crying for Gremlin cuddles left right and centre. For the record, several of us have already been playing Gremlins competitively for years (and have been arguing that they aren't bottom tier for at least as long). Welcome to the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 For the record, several of us have already been playing Gremlins competitively for years (and have been arguing that they aren't bottom tier for at least as long). Welcome to the club. Don't get him started on USA vs UK play-skill........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 For the record, several of us have already been playing Gremlins competitively for years (and have been arguing that they aren't bottom tier for at least as long). Welcome to the club. No doubt Feel free to share your Gremlin wisdom with us newbies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Don't get him started on USA vs UK play-skill........... Ah but isn't that always a fun discussion? No doubt Feel free to share your Gremlin wisdom with us newbies! I have (as well as several others) in several threads on this forum (over the years) and on the PullMyFinger Wiki. Matter of fact it is difficult to find a Gremlin thread that I dont have a comment or two in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I have (as well as several others) in several threads on this forum (over the years) and on the PullMyFinger Wiki. Matter of fact it is difficult to find a Gremlin thread that I dont have a comment or two in. And yet it seems people don't generally find Gremlins that offensive and/or competitive, so I guess people must be missing something, maybe that you've pointed out to them previously? Ah well, maybe the newbies can learn some new ways to play them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) And yet it seems people don't generally find Gremlins that offensive and/or competitive, so I guess people must be missing something, maybe that you've pointed out to them previously? Most people dismiss them (mainly Some'r) because they aren't as straight forward as a lot of the other available crews and they dont want to put in the time to learn (Rasputina without Snow Storm has a fairly similar problem). Playing gremlins (mainly Some'r) competitively is a much more cerebral endevour than they appear and much more involved then crews like the Dreamer, Collodi, etc (Ophelia and the Kin tends to be a much more forgiving crew and easier play style). Edited February 20, 2012 by Omenbringer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiku Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 A lot of it comes from the fact that most of the options in Gremlins are far easier to see on the field than to read; or even when they are easy to read, need the person reading them to fully consider the context and options available to them. Many people just reading things have a great deal of trouble translating this to game play, which leads to some rather amusing, or spurious, comments from people who look at a model in isolation, or "rank" things before seeing them in combinations. In fact to add to that is the way we tend to approach these things. I saw a rules question a while back that was about ambiguity, on an aspect of a rule that was ambiguous, but the way he worded it meant he and the people responding were discussing two entirely different things. There were two factors of Som'er lists that I was unsure of that I was unable to get clarified due to the structuring of the language alone! I sought some advice prior, and didn't manage to get an answer. Luckily I was able to get two games in and that taught me all I needed to know through trial and success. Perhaps it is simply that people get told something is bad, and accept it, without really looking at it. Or perhaps it is the bad match ups being the internet favourites ;3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Perhaps it is simply that people get told something is bad, and accept it, without really looking at it. Or perhaps it is the bad match ups being the internet favourites ;3 I think a lot of it stems from these two things exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 The two points of brokeness - the one I'm guessing is Skeeters. What is the other? Calmdown, are you picking them up too? Sigh ... I've been doing them before they were cool too ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?24044-I-m-going-to-win-Masters-of-Malifaux-next-year-with-Som-er&highlight= Just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiku Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Does it really say anything for the master, if the entire playerbase is playing Som'er at the event? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) No doubt Feel free to share your Gremlin wisdom with us newbies! I think the problem is that, straight out of book 1, gremlins were lackluster. And that's how people made their initial judgement. They had their moment in the sun when they had infinite card draw for about a week, but once that was nerfed the notion of playing them competitively was unlikely. Open your book 1 and see what you can do with that crew. Also, be sure to use the old strategies and schemes. Mosquitoes are awesome, but it wasn't enough to carry the list. Once book 2 came out, it pretty well fixed them, both the models which gave them what they needed and the rebalancing of strategies/schemes. But people's minds were made up. And book 2 also introduced masters like Kirai, Hamelin, and the Dreamer which made the shiny new gremlins seem less shiny, simply by comparison. But I'm fine with that. I know they're good. I think another problem is, they have a good number of red herring builds. There's really only one or two ways to play them at a competitive level, and I think pigs are the big distraction. Pig builds are cool and fun and I enjoy playing them, but I wouldn't bring a warpig to a tournament. Of course, I also think Malifaux is by far best played as a friendly game, so that's not a huge deal. Edited February 21, 2012 by Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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