Jonas Albrecht Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 My Next Master is going to be The Viktorias. I've been reading up on them and their starter box, as well as the other outcasts, and have thoughts. First, in order to really capitalize on Sisters in Victory, you need a model that can force Morale Duels. The two that spring to mind are Killjoy, and Jack Daw. I'm leaning toward the latter. Second, having access to the 'Korps, the best models for the Viktorias are the Librarian and the Trapper. The Specialist is also a good choice, as one of her triggers can force a Morale duel. I like the Ronin, and plan on including at least one, maybe two in higher point games. I'm curious about how often one would ever use Another One?, seeing as its ridiculously hard to cast, and requires 2 soulstones from a master that starts with a cache of 0, plus the loss of a model. Some ideas for 25-35ss lists. 25ss The Viktorias Taelor - 8ss Freikorps Librarian - 7ss Freikorps Specialist - 5ss Desperate Mercenary - 2ss -3 Soulstone Cache 30ss The Viktorias Jack Daw - 9ss Freikorps Librarian 7ss Ronin - 5ss Freikorps Trapper - 6ss -3 Soulstone Cache 35ss The Viktorias Jack Daw - 9ss Taelor - 8ss Freikorps Librarian - 7ss Freikorps Trapper - 6ss Desperate Mercenary - 2ss -3 Soulstone Cache Granted, this is all speculation about what's on paper, plus some archive diving on this site. As usual, your thoughts and critiques are appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodschow Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 3SS is a rather low cache for the Viks (two models wanting to be in melee with only a decent Df value to defend themselves otherwise and who occasionally want to ensure that extra Whirlwind strike goes off). Jack Daw can be awesome, however seeing as most of your list is melee focused he can easily become a double-edged sword. Also Arcane Reservoir doesn't stack so bringing both him and the Librarian seems inefficient. I'd consider Von Schill instead (that's one more model with Use Soulstone though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Albrecht Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 (edited) Huh, I didn't even notice AR on Jack Daw. Though since only one requires a discard, if you want the Librarian along its not going to do any card damage to have Jack Daw along as well. Edited January 2, 2011 by Jonas Albrecht Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurry Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 from personal experience the Viks need at least 5/6 ss to stay alive and help buff their attacks for Another One i dont think i have ever cast it, short of having a high mask/ram or red joker you need to use a third ss to cast it which are better spent increasing defense flips to stop them dying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneInABilliam Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 you could always use the specialist for morale duels... hes cheaper and works good with von schill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck Dog Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 (edited) Hey Jonas, I wouldn't want to persuade you against The Viks, but as I know that you are a Guild Player, I don’t know whether they would be a little too similar in play style to your current crews for you to get the most enjoyment out of them ? The Viks are one of the most straightforward crews out there, and although they require a fair amount of finesse to play well, they are very direct and some minions play very similar roles to those in a Guild crew – just something to consider. I have yet to use Another One in a game. It is a bit of a fallacy that The Viks are glass cannons and some of my opponents really struggle to get rid of them. As long as you play smart and pick your fights, then they are surprisingly durable; especially when supported by a librarian or a decent stash of stones. In fact I often don’t take any Ronins as I know I won’t need to use Another One and the other Mercs are more fun. By the way, I would just add that The Viks do need a lot of stones. 4ss is the minimum I would take in a 25ss game and 5ss is the minimum I would take in a 35ss game, but I would be much happier with 7 or 8. With regards to Sisters In Victory, its a nice ability, but I wouldn’t shoehorn a minion into your crew just so that I could make use of it. Having said that, if you wanted to go for a terrifying model in a 35 ss crew, I would go for : Viks Killjoy Desperate Merc x 2 Ronin x 2 Convict Gunslinger 5 SS I haven’t used it myself yet, as I am not a fun of proxies but on paper it looks well balanced with a decent mix of shooting and melee. I think it could take on most crews, and killjoy is literally a tonne of fun Also, I see a lot of your sample crews are heavily Freikorp based. I think The Viks and the Freikorp work great together, and The Viks + Von Schill together is brutal, however don’t rule out the other Mercs as The Slinger, Bishop and Hamelin are all amazing. Edited January 2, 2011 by Buck Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmike Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I started the Victoria's when i started Malifaux. I have used another one only a few times. Sisters in victory however i have never used. You are dedicating 1 or more models to hoping someone fails a moral duel. Which even though they could fail it, its also pretty easy to make sure they dont fail the one or two times you can cause it a turn. I have focused more on sisters in battle as their spell of choice. When you can slingshot as far as they can with the SoC and have a min damage of 5, they have something more to fear. This is jut my opinion, but i wouldn't focus on Sisters in victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakshaani Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 They're looking to be my secondary force, by the by. I wasn't interested in the Viktoria box, so bought the sisters on their own, a pack of ronin, and, eventually, I'll be getting my Convict Gunslinger. (Just waiting for one to get to teh store so I can buy it!) Picked up Hans and Misikari as well, but, in hindsight, I don't know if I'll wind up using them unless looking at larger games. Have a Student of Conflict as well, because, well, you have to have a totem option, right? The basic force, currently, looks to be: Viktoria A Viktoria B Ronin 1 Ronin 2 Ronin 3 Convict Gunslinger ---- 20 SS used, 5 SS reserve. Simple, effective, a balance of ranged and melee (but inclined to melee), decent mobility, the ability to call forth more Ronin if needed... it -should- work, but it's very very simplistic. Eventually, I'll pull a ronin for a pair of Desperate Mercenaries, once they're available. At least, that's the plan. A few games might tell me that I need someone weird in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmike Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Pick up the student, he is so worth it for the vics. If you add the SoC and drop a ronin you would have 7ss to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodschow Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Pick up the student, he is so worth it for the vics. If you add the SoC and drop a ronin you would have 7ss to play with. I think this is rather subjective.. Personally I wouldn't recommend the Student ever, I just don't feel he's quite worth it.. For any master in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Albrecht Posted January 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I appreciate the heads up, Buck Dog, but seeing as I really only play The Ortegas, and have been on a hiatus, I feel the Viktorias will provide enough of a different feel, playstyle-wise. I've also revised my opinion of including Jack Daw. He's an expensive figure, and anything I want to use him for could be achieved much cheaper with other Outcasts. The Conflict Gunslinger is solid ranged support. Its also one of my least favorite models. Still, function wins out over form. Since me an' Tues have the Freikorps box, they'll be getting a lot of use with the Viks. 25ss The Viktorias Freikorps Librarian - 7ss Ronin x2 - 5ss Korpsmann - 4ss - 4 Soulstone Cache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboStele Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Bishop is still worth considering in the right matchups. His Defense buff is sick when you have a non-Master tying up the middle of the field with an 8 Df. He's a tough piece to master though, IMO. Taelor and Johan are not to be overlooked either. There's a lot to be said for their 3" melee range. But overall, I think the Ronin and Convict Gunslinger are solid choices. I often find that a little careful maneuvering and good use of cover pretty easily makes them worth a lot less though. Got to sort of bait your opponent by using the Viks and get pieces out in the open where the Convict can really open up against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItchyDani3l Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I just recently picked up the Viktorias too and haven't gotten to building them yet. I also bought a student of conflict with the box set, but I don't have any Ronin or Convict gunslingers yet. In the one game I did play against a gunslinger, all he did was sit back and shoot at my december acolyte (which died on the last turn I think). I'm not so convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sezar Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 The Gunslinger is a great option for the Viks, specially for his cost. I don't like the official model as well, but that didnt forbid me using him, as I just bought a beautiful mini to proxy it. My vik's Crew is female only, so I wouldn't have used the official anyway. What I really wouldn't ever field is the Student of Conflict, the thing that I really dislike that model as well really adds, but I can't see the cost of 3ss for 2, maybe 3 times, buffing Fast to only one model, I just think it's too expensive for that. I would love to have another useful totem option for Outcasts, but looks like we'll have to wait at least until book 3 is released :puppy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboStele Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 The Student of Conflict grants Fast to BOTH Viktorias when you cast it on one of them because of Fates Entwined. Thus you actually get 2 extra AP whenever you use the SoC's turn to grant Fast. I also find that it's a lot of fun to run the SoC and then a good shooter like Hans or the Convict Gunslinger. Then you have other options for granting fast even once the Viks have charged up to the enemy to start Melee attacking. Hans makes a brutal back line support piece when he can fire 3 times per activation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodschow Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 The Student of Conflict grants Fast to BOTH Viktorias when you cast it on one of them because of Fates Entwined. ... It's not a spell it's an (all) action, Fates Entwined only works for spells. So.. No it does not work like that, and never did.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboStele Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 It's not a spell it's an (all) action, Fates Entwined only works for spells. So.. No it does not work like that, and never did.. Oh crap, you're right. My bad. Been a while since I played the Viks. Still though, I like giving Fast to the Sword Vik, then swinging her into position to wail on some poor fool. Then next turn(s), use the SoC to buff a shooter like Hans or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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