mattausten86 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 To start of i just wanna say pandora really is a pain in the ass,the amount of times i lost a wp duel was unbelievable. on an upside the peacekeeper is quite good,it would be even better if it didnt get charged by a teddy,although it did kill a sorrow. cheers matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerealkiller195 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 yes pandora and her woes tend to nickel and dime you to death with failed WP tests doing damage to you. I would suggest the governor's proxy to help you out. i'm still not sure on the peacekeeper seems like too much of a gamble to me for it's points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattausten86 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 i was meant to be using himbut forgot to bring him,so its my own fault,and the amount of times sonnia lost awp duel she would have been killed by him anyways. cheers matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerealkiller195 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 actually you only die when you fail a morale duel which from what i gather is not the same as a duel that uses WP from a spell for example. Morale duels usually come from terrifying models or WP duels that cause you to fall back. when it comes to pandora and her woes I heard the trick is to attack the easier to kill sorrows first then start to take apart her crew piecemeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Mamba Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I've seen that strategy of picking off the sorrows work pretty well against Pandora. Then, you're only really left to face the melee threat of Kade and he's manageable when you're not constantly getting plinked for each failed WP duel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 actually you only die when you fail a morale duel which from what i gather is not the same as a duel that uses WP from a spell for example. Morale duels usually come from terrifying models or WP duels that cause you to fall back. when it comes to pandora and her woes I heard the trick is to attack the easier to kill sorrows first then start to take apart her crew piecemeal Sorry but its any failed WP duel - not just moral duels... so everytime your in range of a sorrow or pandora and you get hit with pacify, incite or any other spell which starts a WP->WP duel you need to win or take damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karn987 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 To specify even more, any effect which has you using your WP as the stat your flipping on is a WP duel. This includes Moral Duels because they are just a type of WP duel. Pandora does her job well *nods* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightgaunt98c Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I played against her fore the first time today. It was my second gome overall. Using the Ortegas, I had no trouble. They all (except Papa Loco) have better than average wp, and have stubborn. They also have enough ranged firepower to hurt them before they can hurt you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Mamba Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I played against her fore the first time today. It was my second gome overall. Using the Ortegas, I had no trouble. They all (except Papa Loco) have better than average wp, and have stubborn. They also have enough ranged firepower to hurt them before they can hurt you. That sounds more like what I've seen. Pandora can be pretty nasty, but the Ortega's, at least, seem to be able to keep her at bay. If there was a lot of intervening terrain, however, things might be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karn987 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 The Ortega's are kinda built to take her down. They have stubborn and average to above average WP all around. This does not make them unbeatable, but it does make it a challenge. On the note of terrain, the Pandora player should be making sure there is enough terrain on the board to give them the cover they need. She's really rather hard to play and get right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasidas Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) Sorry but its any failed WP duel - not just moral duels... so everytime your in range of a sorrow or pandora and you get hit with pacify, incite or any other spell which starts a WP->WP duel you need to win or take damage Sorry for the threadnomancy, but I was replying in another topic and the related search also brought this up. Begging your pardon, but Watchful Eye specifies Morale Duel, and NOT Willpower duel. "Watchful Eye: Friendly Guild models with LoS to this model receive +2 Wp. Friendly Guild models losing a Morale Duel while in line of sight of this model are killed." --Edited to add Looking back over the thread, I believe Massaen mis-quoted a textblock, and that he was answering a question about taking damage from Pandora & Sorrows, while CerealKiller was talking about dying from Governor's Proxy's Watchful Eye. Wouldn't matter except I know at least one player locally who was also confused by the thread. Edited November 3, 2009 by Brasidas To add clarity and further explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEiRD sKeTCH Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 He's right Bras. They'd get the +2 Wp to use to defend against Incite, Pacify, etc. If they fail those duels, then they'd take damage due to Pandora and the Sorrows. If they fail a Morale duel, brought about by things like; Trapped in your own nightmare, Teddy's Terrifying, Baby Kade, etc. They'd be killed Thanks to the Governor's Proxy. They would however still get the bonus granted by the GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasidas Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 He's right Bras. They'd get the +2 Wp to use to defend against Incite, Pacify, etc. If they fail those duels, then they'd take damage due to Pandora and the Sorrows. If they fail a Morale duel, brought about by things like; Trapped in your own nightmare, Teddy's Terrifying, Baby Kade, etc. They'd be killed Thanks to the Governor's Proxy. They would however still get the bonus granted by the GP. Your quote matches my understanding, so that's all that matters. However, the pedant in me is forcing me to belabor the point. Since our understanding of the actual rule matches, no sense in reading the following unless you've got a bit of the OCD too. MattAusten said that he was thinking about taking the Gov's Proxy, but he'd failed so many Wp duels he'd have died by Watchful Eye. CerealKiller said you only die outright if you fail a morale duel, not just a willpower duel. Massaen quoted cerealkiller and said if you fail any wp duel you take damage, which is correct, but the conversation was about failing morale duels and dying due to governor's proxy. One of my friends was telling me this weekend how anytime you fail a wp duel, the Gov's proxy kills you--he'd read this thread you see, and (I think) gotten turned around by the two conversations going past each other. I chime in--ineffectively, lol--in an attempt to clear things up. You state things much more succinctly. I wax pedantic and belabor the point entirely too much. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 That will teach me to skim read threads at work while ducking the boss... Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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