Tris Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 So, as the title suggests, I would like to get more games in with our Construct master, C. Hoffman. I can see the potential in his new upgrades, I even played some games with him at the start of the year, but the problem remains, I can't seem to find a list that "feels right", so I'm looking for some inspiration from you guys^^ Tell me about your experiences with him, what do you like to take, where do you like to play him? Maybe you can give me some insight on why he deserves to get more table time now, I would appreciate a good discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Tris said: So, as the title suggests, I would like to get more games in with our Construct master, C. Hoffman. I can see the potential in his new upgrades, I even played some games with him at the start of the year, but the problem remains, I can't seem to find a list that "feels right", so I'm looking for some inspiration from you guys^^ Tell me about your experiences with him, what do you like to take, where do you like to play him? Maybe you can give me some insight on why he deserves to get more table time now, I would appreciate a good discussion Good lists or fun lists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted May 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: Good lists or fun lists? Why not both?^^ Let's brainstorm a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoalaBear143 Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 I don't have much experience with Hoffman as I bought his box only recently. However, I love having a peacekeeper with him. You can give him nimble, fast and heal him if he's damaged. For safety I always take the new upgrade "Improved harness". For more fun lists you can experiment with making cyborgs. I enjoy the idea of having Ryle sh7 because of Sidir. Overall, I think Hoffman is a really fun master that can make pretty much any list work. My usual liat consists of: 50 SS Guild Crew Hoffman + 7 Pool - Improved Harness (1) - Field Mechanic (2) - On Site Assimiliation (2) Mechanical Attendant (2) Ryle (10) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Peacekeeper (11) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Guardian (7) Watcher (4) (exported from CrewFaux) With 9 points to spare it depends on the schemes. I don't have access to any arcanist constructs so I'm limited to Guild models for now. I'd really like to hear what other players are doing with Charles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 Ok here's one I made before the errata and wave 5, it's actually a point cheaper now. Hoffman, emissary death Marshalls, papa loco, mobile toolkit, and a fk specialist. The dm buries the specialist, papa and mobile toolkit both give + damage to the emissary, then Hoff and the emissary advance and blast on a level that Sonnia would be jealous of. If they get closer, the emissary also loves being at + to damage. I've never made it work, but if you bury a lawyer you should be able to spam fees with the emissary. I'm not sure it's good, but if your opponent doesn't have condition removal it could at least be frustrating. Someone previously posted (I think gnomey) about linking in a cyborg abuela boosting everyone's shoot to 7, then spraying fire with Ryle using targeting. I've run 4 guardians and a peacekeeper as an incredibly resilient brick. Same with combining guardians with riot breakers. Linking in a guardian will let a rail golem hit a lot more often. Especially if you hit it a couple times with a witchling stalker to build up extra burning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 I finiahed painting Hoffman yeasterday so I'll get in on this! Apart from sh 7 spray Ryle of doom I also think a slow-spreading shooting list with somethibg like a peacekeeper and a hunter or two would be nice. My main issue when building is going ridiculously elite, I would propose two 9+ constructs for the Hoffball and a lot of cheap stuff to run schemes and out-activate. Cybog Bishop is also something I need to try. Not just for the defensive power loop but for 4ap and nimble to just flurry the hell out of everything with debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, Ludvig said: I finiahed painting Hoffman yeasterday so I'll get in on this! Apart from sh 7 spray Ryle of doom I also think a slow-spreading shooting list with somethibg like a peacekeeper and a hunter or two would be nice. My main issue when building is going ridiculously elite, I would propose two 9+ constructs for the Hoffball and a lot of cheap stuff to run schemes and out-activate. Cybog Bishop is also something I need to try. Not just for the defensive power loop but for 4ap and nimble to just flurry the hell out of everything with debt. I don't think cyborg bishop is allowed. We don't put that tech into non guild bodies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: I don't think cyborg bishop is allowed. We don't put that tech into non guild bodies. Damn. About 90% of my pneumatic ideas just went down the drain. Why does Hoffman need to be reasonable when no one else is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ludvig said: Damn. About 90% of my pneumatic ideas just went down the drain. Why does Hoffman need to be reasonable when no one else is. I love the idea that there is a real fear at wyrd hq of Hoff getting out of hand. I'm pretty sure you could give Hoffman a free card every time he succeeded at machine puppets and he still wouldn't win events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: I love the idea that there is a real fear at wyrd hq of Hoff getting out of hand. I'm pretty sure you could give Hoffman a free card every time he succeeded at machine puppets and he still wouldn't win events. I dunno, giving out ap and interesting upgrades in conjunction with out of faction hiring seems like the perfect spot to create something silly and abusive. If they had bern more careful wit others we might have avoided some silly combos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted May 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: I love the idea that there is a real fear at wyrd hq of Hoff getting out of hand. I'm pretty sure you could give Hoffman a free card every time he succeeded at machine puppets and he still wouldn't win events. Oh, I would take that, as long as it's not another upgrade slot for him^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Ludvig said: I dunno, giving out ap and interesting upgrades in conjunction with out of faction hiring seems like the perfect spot to create something silly and abusive. If they had bern more careful wit others we might have avoided some silly combos Cyborg Hans or McTavish, given plus flips by papa (and mayyybe also the tool kit) were the worst I came up with. I guess the emissary could also give them plus flips. I'm sure someone would come up with something more abusive, but since it's not allowed I stayed away from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 The emissary could bury hans to spam disarm with the ram upgrade I guess. Not sure if that would be anywhere near good, might somewhat counter McCabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, Ludvig said: The emissary could bury hans to spam disarm with the ram upgrade I guess. Not sure if that would be anywhere near good, might somewhat counter McCabe. I think I tried it once and was disappointed when the terrain got me almost no shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 3 hours ago, 4thstringer said: I love the idea that there is a real fear at wyrd hq of Hoff getting out of hand. I'm pretty sure you could give Hoffman a free card every time he succeeded at machine puppets and he still wouldn't win events. ...you are dead to me! Dead, do you hear!!!!111!1!one! Yes, I know a certain podcast’s disdain of any master with a TN on every action which isn’t ‘nerd rage torching someone’, but Hoffman has top-deckable TNs at least. Which look a little less attractive since the Neverborn top-deck obeyers can also add a considerable push with a built-in suit and keep their triggers, by the gods that pisses me off...alright Colette’s obeys are buried even deeper in the compost heap. Anyway. Much as it irks me, the theory I have been told that construct keyword itself is a model pool too expensive for what it does (Joss maybe excepted, nobody does what Joss does) seems to hold true. My poor stompybots. So in order to buy the most efficient models for the ‘stones we have got to spend all the master AP turn 1 making them usable with our master. Just grab the peacekeeper and Improved Harness and brick up against any master short of Pandora. There’s some satisfaction in reducing back-to-back hits for 8 down to a level which wouldn’t even give away the first Eliminate the Leadership point. Hans requires all the jank and any fun to be had with Hoffman also requires all the jank. There’s only so many cards to cheat. Forget Hans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 On 5/20/2018 at 12:13 PM, Gnomezilla said: ...you are dead to me! Dead, do you hear!!!!111!1!one! Yes, I know a certain podcast’s disdain of any master with a TN on every action which isn’t ‘nerd rage torching someone’, but Hoffman has top-deckable TNs at least. Which look a little less attractive since the Neverborn top-deck obeyers can also add a considerable push with a built-in suit and keep their triggers, by the gods that pisses me off...alright Colette’s obeys are buried even deeper in the compost heap. Anyway. Much as it irks me, the theory I have been told that construct keyword itself is a model pool too expensive for what it does (Joss maybe excepted, nobody does what Joss does) seems to hold true. My poor stompybots. So in order to buy the most efficient models for the ‘stones we have got to spend all the master AP turn 1 making them usable with our master. Just grab the peacekeeper and Improved Harness and brick up against any master short of Pandora. There’s some satisfaction in reducing back-to-back hits for 8 down to a level which wouldn’t even give away the first Eliminate the Leadership point. Hans requires all the jank and any fun to be had with Hoffman also requires all the jank. There’s only so many cards to cheat. Forget Hans. I knew I was risking your ire with my posts, but I figured since you have abandoned the guild for stompier pastures, you had come to the same conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: I knew I was risking your ire with my posts, but I figured since you have abandoned the guild for stompier pastures, you had come to the same conclusion. I waged a one-gnome campaign for the little mechromancer, the absolute least I can do in return is play her. ❤️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 Took Hoffman and the Ryle perpetual machinegun party for a spin today. My opponent looked a bit sweaty when I popped damage on a bunch of models. Then his stiched turned around and did two severes and a joker taking the emissary and Ryle out before my second activation turn 2. Only lost 4 to 9 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchrisobrien Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 I've only used Hoffman once or twice since Wave 5 came out. It basically involved putting Targeting Systems on the Emissary, burying Howard out of turn with Abulea, then sending the Emissary in activating targeting systems to deal decapitating strikes, then pop Howard out next to the target. Got a draw against a Very Good Neverborn player. (Lilith, Nekima, Hooded rider) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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