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20 minutes ago, Ozymandias79 said:

What are peoples thoughts on Santiago vs Abuela?  I’d take her over Santiago in just about any matchup (if you aren’t taking Jury).  

 

Also, would I be crazy to drop a monster hunter for a pistolero?  I like the extra defense, but man Monster Hunters are good. 

I agree on abuela, though Santiago is tougher.  You would be crazy to drop a monster Hunter for a pistolero.  They are better when you take 2

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3 hours ago, Ozymandias79 said:

What are peoples thoughts on Santiago vs Abuela?  I’d take her over Santiago in just about any matchup (if you aren’t taking Jury).  

 

Also, would I be crazy to drop a monster hunter for a pistolero?  I like the extra defense, but man Monster Hunters are good. 

I don't feel bad taking Santiago with the Jury; he's done some crazy damage with her help.  Abuela overall is much better.  Letting other models w/out a 0 action push her is great, using her 0 to make a friendly model take a 1 is great!

Yes, you'd be a little crazy to drop a monster hunter for the pistolero, but it's your choice in the end. :) The only reason you'd take pistoleros is for their Df boost, otherwise they aren't doing much of anything.  Monster Hunters do so so much more.  4thstringer, have you used Pistoleros in your Iron Chef challenge yet?

 

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13 hours ago, 4thstringer said:

Sonnia Criid + 5 Pool
- Cherufe's Imprint (1)
- Cherufes Parting Gift (1)
- Counterspell Aura (1)
Malifaux Child (3)
Dr. Grimwell (9)
- Expert Sleuth (1)
Francisco Ortega (8)
- Wade In (1)
- Hermanos de Armas (1)
Papa Loco (7)
- Expert Sleuth (1)
Guild Investigator (6)
Watcher (4)
Brutal Effigy (4)

That Sonnia crew looks strangely familiar :)

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7 hours ago, jchrisobrien said:

I don't feel bad taking Santiago with the Jury; he's done some crazy damage with her help.  Abuela overall is much better.  Letting other models w/out a 0 action push her is great, using her 0 to make a friendly model take a 1 is great!

Yes, you'd be a little crazy to drop a monster hunter for the pistolero, but it's your choice in the end. :) The only reason you'd take pistoleros is for their Df boost, otherwise they aren't doing much of anything.  Monster Hunters do so so much more.  4thstringer, have you used Pistoleros in your Iron Chef challenge yet?

 

No, I'm hoping they don't think of that one. I've got guild Sarge this week and I'm trying to convince them to let me do blood wretch next week so I can do the card engine.

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Here's Duncan's sonnia build from AWP

Duncan Bilz

Oh and this is my list. 
Beware its not user friendly. 

50 SS Guild Crew
Sonnia Criid + 4 Pool
- Cherufe's Imprint (1)
- Counterspell Aura (1)
- Cherufes Parting Gift (1)
Student of Conflict (5)
Dr. Grimwell (9)
- Expert Sleuth (1)
Francisco Ortega (8)
- Wade In (1)
- Hermanos de Armas (1)
Papa Loco (7)
Guild Investigator (6)
Watcher (4)
Brutal Effigy (4)

 

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2 minutes ago, 4thstringer said:

One consistent thing I'm seeing all these lists of that debt to the guild isn't on any of them, and monster Hunters aren't in most.   Surprising.

What is this, a thread for 2016?! 😛

Monster hunters still don't have models right? No debt sounds insane though...

 

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57 minutes ago, 4thstringer said:

One consistent thing I'm seeing all these lists of that debt to the guild isn't on any of them, and monster Hunters aren't in most.   Surprising.

That`s because all the support goes into Sonnia, so Franc and Grimwell have no slot or no stones for debt.

And Monster Hunters do nothing for her, they are good models on their own, but don`t support these "Alpha Sonnia" lists in any way^^

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Hopefully I can provide answers to some of the questions about my lists so far. 

The Sonnia list is totally ripped from Duncan. I thought I mentioned that on FB, but maybe I forgot to. I probably don't pilot it as well as he does, but it did feel very strong. 

I totally agree that Abuela is better than Santiago. I just didn't have Abuela painted and wanted to give Santiago a shot. For the strats and schemes those rounds, I really just wanted another warm body with the family characteristic that could hold an upgrade. Santiago was a bit of a disappointment and I probably won't run him again. 

Monster hunters made it into half of my lists (2 Perdita lists and in my Nellie list) which I think is reasonable. There isn't a ton of room for them in the Sonnia list and Lucius doesn't need them when he has double thralls.

I played Lucius for headhuunter and sqatter's. So, the lists may seem a bit weird. They felt strong though. I enjoy pathfinder in squatter's and will take it in other pools as long as traps don't give away points. I'm happy to discuss the merrits of hiring a pathfinder and a trap in. It is the same price as one of our henchmen, but I always get good use out of him.

Lack of debt is a bit weird as I do think it is very strong. It doesn't have a place in the Lucius lists and there isn't much room in the Sonnia list. In the Perdita lists, I wanted a bit of staying power. Santiago gets a bit beefier with LLC and I don't think Franc requires it for his damage output to be solid. I've been playing LLC on Franc to see if  I like the slight increase in survivability. I don't think Peackeeper necessarily needs debt (though min 5 is sweet) in the Nellie list. I have a fear of obeys and conditions on my PK as my local meta has taken to using those on it. Phiona was in that list to score dig (of course) and I guess I just did see a need for it on her. 

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I was the one who asked for the lists on FB, but it’s nice to have you join the discussion here.  Great job on kicking ass with Guild, especially Perdita, I look forward to trying out your ideas next time I see Ply for the strategy. 

With the reduction in LLC, I think it gives Debt a real run for its money. Armor +1 on our hitters may keep them swinging longer so will result in more damage overall. I feel Debt is best with models who can get extra attacks or have a high Ml so it isn’t wasted. 

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