After resolving and death

[Erik1978]

Just need to be sure here: My wandering river monk who has a Df trigger to drop a scheme marker "after resolving" only happens if he survives, correct?

Unless, apparently, the attacker has a trigger for an additional shot in which case he keeps standing there until the trigger is resolved? 

[solkan]

3 hours ago, santaclaws01 said:

No, the damaging triggers wouldn't let you drop the scheme marker either. After resolving won't happen until the after damaging trigger is finished as well, but as soon as the triggered effect is over, you get removed, then the action is resolved.

Huh?

"After resolving" and "After damaging" for triggers are the same timing step.  "After resolving" isn't "after the action is resolved."

And the ability under discussion is the trigger Df () Leaves In The Breeze "After resolving, ...".   So:

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After resolving: These effects happen after Step 5, regardless of success or failure. 

 

And, funny enough, because it's a defensive trigger, it resolves BEFORE the 'After damaging' trigger

that keeps the model in play.

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If two Triggers would resolve at the same time the Defender's Trigger is resolved first. 

So the declaration of an After damaging trigger most certainly does let the model resolve Leaves In the Breeze.

[solkan]

40 minutes ago, Erik1978 said:

Just need to be sure here: My wandering river monk who has a Df trigger to drop a scheme marker "after resolving" only happens if he survives, correct?

Technically, you could argue that it still happens, but you're off the table so it doesn't get placed anywhere.

40 minutes ago, Erik1978 said:

Unless, apparently, the attacker has a trigger for an additional shot in which case he keeps standing there until the trigger is resolved? 

Or you have some other ability which delays the removal of the model.  But 'After damaging' triggers have that infamous clause.

Note that the line for addressing trigger timing problems that should be changed for third edition is over there, past the committee to do something about the vantage point rules.  I think it would be interesting to find out what the situation was that led to the timing exception, and why the exception was considered the best fix.

[Erik1978]

Infamous clause?

[solkan]

1 hour ago, Erik1978 said:

Infamous clause?

This one:

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These effects are resolved before the damaged model is removed if it was killed by the damage. 

 

[santaclaws01]

No, the damaging triggers wouldn't let you drop the scheme marker either. After resolving won't happen until the after damaging trigger is finished as well, but as soon as the triggered effect is over, you get removed, then the action is resolved.