Vantage point and los

[Radek1]

I made an example, because i had situation like that on tournament. Model is on vantage point, he is Ht 2. there is 4" of vantage point between him and his target. By the rules it says: If the
model on vantage point terrain is within its Ht of the ledge it is standing on then ignore the ledge it is standing on when drawing LoS."

So mine opponent said it does not specify which ledge so if a model is within its Ht of side or any edge he ignores whole vantage. Is that correct?

[Rillan]

It is ignored for purposes of Los when one model attack another and one on the Vantage point is within its HT to the edge from which opponent sees u and there is quite good picture when Raspy looks and Lilith. On pitcure u have none of the models see each other.

 

Forgive me my Drawing skills but in picture below once model comes with 2'' to the edge BLUE and ORANGE see it and opposite u can see those two. Green models cant see u and same with your model, she is too far from the edge so it cant see them either.

 

If we talk about cover then When model shoots from Vantage point to a model on the ground. Vantage point doesn't provide any cover to defending model.

[WWHSD]

I would interpret “ledge” as meaning “edge of terrain”. In the picture in the OP the top ledge and left ledge would be ignored when determining LoS while the right ledge and the bottom ledge would not be. 

[Radek1]

thanks, I thought so also so will have to ask Tournament organizer before if this is valid.

[Adran]

As is so often the case on terrain, the answer depends on how you defined it at the start. By the rules, if you defined it as just 1 piece, then you could ignore it as your opponent did. I would personally never try to ignore it like that, but they aren't wrong strictly, and they may well have done the placing because of it, so it's hard to just ignore. 

 

Edit I hope Rhillian is right, don't have rules to hand to check. 

[Domin]

On 07.04.2018 at 1:58 PM, Rillan said:

It is ignored for purposes of Los when one model attack another and one on the Vantage point is within its HT to the edge from which opponent sees u and there is quite good picture when Raspy looks and Lilith. On pitcure u have none of the models see each other.

 

Forgive me my Drawing skills but in picture below once model comes with 2'' to the edge BLUE and ORANGE see it and opposite u can see those two. Green models cant see u and same with your model, she is too far from the edge so it cant see them either.

 

If we talk about cover then When model shoots from Vantage point to a model on the ground. Vantage point doesn't provide any cover to defending model.

Then another question comes in place - does the top ledge is ignored whole, or just on an are where there are 2" from ledge to top model?

[solkan]

4 hours ago, Domin said:

Then another question comes in place - does the top ledge is ignored whole, or just on an are where there are 2" from ledge to top model?

"How big is this ledge?" is part of defining the terrain elements, and thus the responsibility of the players playing the game to answer. Just like the decomposition of strangely shaped terrain pieces to avoid cover paradoxes.

In most cases, having four separate ledges is going to produce a reasonable result acceptable to both players.

[Rillan]

4 hours ago, Domin said:

Then another question comes in place - does the top ledge is ignored whole, or just on an are where there are 2" from ledge to top model?

It is ignored for purpose of Los if your model is within its Ht from the edge. 

[Franchute]

Hopefully what @WWHSD and @Rillan say is correct. But what about the thing being a circle and not a rectangle?

[Ludvig]

7 hours ago, Franchute said:

Hopefully what @WWHSD and @Rillan say is correct. But what about the thing being a circle and not a rectangle?

I would measure to the exact point where you need to draw LoS through/over the terrain, if that point is within your ht in inches you can draw LoS.

[Rillan]

Once a model is in Orange zone and within it's Ht from the Edge i would say u see it.

[Rillan]

And if we talk about huge terrain more than 5-6'' wide/big (or how its correct in English ??) then Possible Los zone changes to 

[Sol_Sorrowsong]

Not that there may be a strict ruling on the wording here, but if the rule says "the edge" as opposed to "an edge", grammatically it is the edge in question (between models) that must follow the rule and not simply any edge nearby.