esqulax Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 As the title says, what do you think of the hooded rider at 10ss ? I always kinda liked him, so I am very interested in giving him a shot now, but I just can't shake the feeling that we aren't exactly lacking in efficient beaters. Especially since we also just got Hinamatsu at 9ss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikciwok Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Well, I really don't like the miniature because of poor details, so I'm not interested in fielding him. I've heard he's the best of all discounted Riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le gob Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 I'll give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Git Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 I thought he wasn't bad at 12 against Ressers for hoovering up corpse marker or having high damage to get around HtW. I'll definitely be using him more now. He goes well with Titania as if you can get Queen's Champion on him, He gets great survivability a turn earlier and against different threats as well as much more likely to hit. Against Ressers, I'd still probably pair him with Johan for a ss cheaper overall and Hooded can tow Johan around to get around his slowness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm a Teapot! Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Zoraida likes to handle threats in early turn by using her doll and loves to have him as a backup safety plan for later turns. And her charge obey is massively effective with him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangedane Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 I love the model and field him just for that - with a point decrease I am sure he will find his way into more lists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yool1981 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 I think the hooded rider killed the Mature Nephilim :p. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le_sphinx Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 23 hours ago, yool1981 said: I think the hooded rider killed the Mature Nephilim :p. Maybe Teddy as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esqulax Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, le_sphinx said: Maybe Teddy as well I feel like Teddy has been dead for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le_sphinx Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, esqulax said: I feel like Teddy has been dead for a while When you have two of them.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 I'm also excited to field him with titania and zoraida for different reasons. Titania can protect him fairly easily early game. Zoraida can get him into combat very effectively with her obey and maximize his effectiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tors Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, le_sphinx said: When you have two of them.. Why should anybody have two Teddys?! Thats absurd! I own six myself (2x plastic m2e, 1x Metal m1e, 1x m1e Nightmare and Misery and Luther as a proxy) and even that's barely a reasonable Number! At 10 pts i will take the Rider quite often! Teddy is mainly used with Dreamer or Pandora for Horror duels and his keyword, that won't change much. I barely used Mature before (Maybe with Titania), so he doesn't really lost much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yool1981 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Teddy is mostly a summon model for me. Mature also would be if Grow lists were something actually working consistently. As it is now I rarely used the Mature (when I need a beater with retribution eye) and now that the rider is 10SS, I don't see why I would bother using the Mature. Maybe Wyrd will solve the matter in a later errata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, yool1981 said: Teddy is mostly a summon model for me. Mature also would be if Grow lists were something actually working consistently. As it is now I rarely used the Mature (when I need a beater with retribution eye) and now that the rider is 10SS, I don't see why I would bother using the Mature. Maybe Wyrd will solve the matter in a later errata. If I need retributions eye I go for a cyclops at 9ss, but now I might go for rider at 11 (including upgrade). It will depend a bit on the map and strat ofc. I find the ice pillars very strong in the right situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Loki- Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 I like the suggestion of making the Matures Wing Buffet a 0. That might go a ways to making it more playable. That way it has a way to disengage itself to make another charge or just to get somewhere else without hampering its AP. Teddy needs more help now. I still don't agree with an ss reduction, as he's fine as a summon. A 0ss upgrade to buff him keeps him the same as a summon but more attractive as a hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Also making it a nightmare makes it very attractive for dreamer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 hours ago, -Loki- said: I like the suggestion of making the Matures Wing Buffet a 0. That might go a ways to making it more playable. That way it has a way to disengage itself to make another charge or just to get somewhere else without hampering its AP. Teddy needs more help now. I still don't agree with an ss reduction, as he's fine as a summon. A 0ss upgrade to buff him keeps him the same as a summon but more attractive as a hire. Then teddy wouldn't be able to take an upgrade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 I'm trying to think how to run Lucius with a Mature (Retribution's Eye?) and a couple of Changlings. The Mature is very cool. He just suffers from not being Nekima. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haagrum Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Joachim said: Then teddy wouldn't be able to take an upgrade They could always take the same approach used for the Oxfordian Mages' second set of upgrades, which explicitly state that they don't count towards the upgrade limit for that model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le_sphinx Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Freman said: The Mature is very cool. He just suffers from not being Nekima. Can we say the same about the Rider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, le_sphinx said: Can we say the same about the Rider? You can, but is it fair to compare a 10ss vs a 13ss model? For example in Titania I always want to bring the emissary. He's never disappointed me so I'm sticking with him (it?). That basically gives me 40ss to work with, which are actually 37 cause I always take 3 upgrades with her. 13 or 10 stones out of 37 is a big difference. Although I never played her, cause I just don't like the model, I think she can be really strong with Titania, especially cause of titania pulling stuff in and taunting them and then use deal with him to bring in nekima is very strong and fairly easy to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yool1981 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Joachim said: Although I never played her, cause I just don't like the model, I think she can be really strong with Titania, especially cause of titania pulling stuff in and taunting them and then use deal with him to bring in nekima is very strong and fairly easy to do. The problem with the Nekima vs Mature comparison is mostly due to the fact that Nekima's defensive abilitives are a lot higher than the Mature's in many circumstances. Melee expert is also much better than Flurry. They fill exactly the same role. It is normal that Nekima is better than the Mature, she costs 3SS more. However, now that the Rider is also 10SS with a lot of survibility, a superior mobility in many situations and an ability to deal damage that is lower but still nothing to sneeze at. He thus can do something similar to the Mature but with additional movement tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, yool1981 said: He thus can do something similar to the Mature but with additional movement tricks. Indeed, and that (0) push is such efficient movement. And getting around efficiently is so important in this game. I hate taking unnecessary walks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Loki- Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 15 hours ago, Joachim said: Then teddy wouldn't be able to take an upgrade They could always just state on the upgrade that it doesn’t count towards the upgrade limit. Upgrades like that already exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, -Loki- said: They could always just state on the upgrade that it doesn’t count towards the upgrade limit. Upgrades like that already exist. True, but in the case of the executioner that is not true. He's already pricey at 9ss, so I don't think you always want to, but now you can't pick an upgrade with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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