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Just now, trikk said:

I said "against " :P

 

If you play gremlin and don't play pigapult you re doing it wrong.

If you don't play gremlin you re also doing it wrong.

In both case your argument is invalid ;p

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2 minutes ago, daniello_s said:

Yes, but reactivated Golem is still less manoeuvrable than 'flying' Burt/Franc who can take out a key piece of enemy crew easily anywhere on the table ignoring pretty much terrain and models who obstruct narrow corridors. And once the bomb is delivered Skeeter can go for scheme running when opponent have to deal with enemy beater among his crew first.

Average players will get hit by it. Good players will trade 1:1 or kill the Skeeter too.

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3 minutes ago, trikk said:

I said "against " :P

Reva is a strong Master but I think she`s managable most of the time. Its a bit frustrating but I don`t think its errata-material

Ok but It’s the worst master to play a good and funny game, I think that make decaying aura a “non master” upgrade was a thing to do ...

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Just now, Fazza92 said:

Ok but It’s the worst master to play a good and funny game, I think that make decaying aura a “non master” upgrade was a thing to do ...

I dunno. I play against a lot of Filth and Reva wouldn`t make it to Top 5 IMHO :P 

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They Nerfed Misaki because she`s a lot harder to avoid and had positives to damage and AOE.

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I'm interested if Sidir considered to be too broken for his ss?
Why he is still 9ss, while Franc, Jury, Judge, Sam and Phiona are 8ss.
 

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Just now, FinalForm said:

I'm interested if Sidir considered to be too broken for his ss?
Why he is still 9ss, while Franc, Jury, Judge, Sam and Phiona are 8ss.
 

Maybe he got forgoten like a lot of models.

The wicked dolls for example. Bunrakus are now only 1ss more and they got no up at all. Who would take them now? (if anyone took them before)

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I think overall there's a lot of good changes here. There's definitely some models that I don't use due to cost that I'd consider now

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Shame the kentauri didn't get hit. Triple walk kentauri carrying a fast punk zombie is still a thing.

Be interesting to try some Marcus lists with some of the cheap beasts now (already saving as always used dawn serpent)

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Very happy to see The Captain and Patron's Blessing got a price decrease!  Bit sad the factions' Stone upgrades and some Totems (*cough*Mouse*cough*) didn't get looked at, and that the Gunsmith vs Acolyte debate will continue, but hey can't have everything I guess.

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15 minutes ago, trikk said:

Average players will get hit by it. Good players will trade 1:1 or kill the Skeeter too.

Maybe for the sake of the game we should take 'average player' as a base point for our future discussions not 'good players'.

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6 minutes ago, Athiko said:

I think overall there's a lot of good changes here. There's definitely some models that I don't use due to cost that I'd consider now

I agree, the majority of these changes make sense and those that I'm unsure about don't look like they'd break anything. Good job. 

3ss guild guard and desperate mercs are going to be a pretty interesting meta change. 

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3 minutes ago, daniello_s said:

Maybe for the sake of the game we should take 'average player' as a base point for our future discussions not 'good players'.

Good player is someone that knows what your stuff do. Currently there is like 12312353626 things that blow you off the table if you don`t know what to do - All AOE damage dealing masters for example. 

I don`t think the Skeeter tactic is that powerful. Golem is less Alpha Strike and more Survivability/sustained damage

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This will certainly "rotate" some models - as a Gremlin player I can see Raphael getting a lot more play and Franc/Burt a lot less, for instance. Fixing cost won't fix everything but it's a start. It works for most models but not for the most flawed ones - in which case, a cost decrease is not enough. Moon Shinobis are still going to be awkward and I don't think paying 1 less SS for them makes them much more viable. I'd have preferred keeping the 6SS and changing something on the card (Drunk and Reckless comes to mind!)

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49 minutes ago, Aegnor said:

Maybe he got forgoten like a lot of models.

The wicked dolls for example. Bunrakus are now only 1ss more and they got no up at all. Who would take them now? (if anyone took them before)

What? Bunrakus +1SS? Surely this is a typo? They were already an underwhelming model, now they become shelf material? Surely they meant -1SS...

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1 minute ago, edopersichetti said:

What? Bunrakus +1SS? Surely this is a typo? They were already an underwhelming model, now they become shelf material? Surely they meant -1SS...

1ss more than wicked dolls. Bunraku cost 5SS now.

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Just now, edopersichetti said:

What? Bunrakus +1SS? Surely this is a typo? They were already an underwhelming model, now they become shelf material? Surely they meant -1SS...

they got -1. What i said is bunraku are now 5 which is only 1 more than wicked dolls. its very good for bunraku i just wonder why wicked doll got no change. now you can upgrade your wicked doll to a bunraku for just 1ss

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I know it's an unpopular opinion, but Burt and McTavish are NOT worth that SS increase. Both models were more problematic outside of the Gremlin faction than they were in faction. Not sure about Francois. Third errata in a row with the most significant nerfs? Pretty discouraging, regardless of how "necessary" those changes were.

On a positive note, Wild Boar and Moon Shinobi attention is certainly welcome. Really excited for the Survivors....but still going to have to think long and hard about whether its time to ditch Gremlins for a different faction. Maybe I can fulfill my 180 days of Brewmaster in TT instead.

All in all, glad to see some of the cost reductions!

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1 hour ago, Scoffer said:

As a Gremlin player i think this errata is absolutely ok. Burt, McTavish and Francois were too good for their cost. Mancha for 9ss? Great! Wild boars for 5ss? I can bring six from the shadows right in your face, and while you try to deal with 48 wounds of rage - my Ulix is running his farm. Or maybe my Som'er is turning gremlins into more gremlins... Hard choice to make ))

The same with Shinobi and Bushwhackers. They had no chance to see the table for 6ss, but now they can shine.

You're a bit optimistic :)

Bushwackers maybe, but for Shinobis it's a problem of what they do (or don't do), not just cost. I don't think they'll shine at all. I agree that for most of the changes Gremlins got it good, just a couple of things could have done better.

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5 minutes ago, Aegnor said:

they got -1. What i said is bunraku are now 5 which is only 1 more than wicked dolls. its very good for bunraku i just wonder why wicked doll got no change. now you can upgrade your wicked doll to a bunraku for just 1ss

Ok, I misread that sorry. Thank you and @Jinn for clarifying. Indeed, that's good for Bunraku, less so for dolls.

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2 hours ago, Tris said:

Or to print :)

I really like the free new versions on their website.

Where do we find those new versions?

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4 minutes ago, the tick said:

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but Burt and McTavish are NOT worth that SS increase. Both models were more problematic outside of the Gremlin faction than they were in faction. Not sure about Francois. Third errata in a row with the most significant nerfs? Pretty discouraging, regardless of how "necessary" those changes were.

On a positive note, Wild Boar and Moon Shinobi attention is certainly welcome. Really excited for the Survivors....but still going to have to think long and hard about whether its time to ditch Gremlins for a different faction. Maybe I can fulfill my 180 days of Brewmaster in TT instead.

All in all, glad to see some of the cost reductions!

I tend to agree with you - would have preferred a raise in the merc tax to +2 for the two of them. Personally it's going to be a bit of a challenge to build lists with the new Franc/Burt, so I'll try to do without (which perhaps was Wyrd's intent all along).

Happy about boar, a bit less so about Shinobis (cutting 1SS doesn't solve their flawed mechanics).

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6 minutes ago, edopersichetti said:

I tend to agree with you - would have preferred a raise in the merc tax to +2 for the two of them. Personally it's going to be a bit of a challenge to build lists with the new Franc/Burt, so I'll try to do without (which perhaps was Wyrd's intent all along).

When all you're doing is playing around with ss costs, getting people to look outside of their auto includes is basically the entire goal. So yeah, errata is working.

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Sadly for Arcanists while these changes are OK they don't address (in fact in some ways worsen) the current internal faction power disparity.  Marcus (powerful and flexible) scored more options, Raspy may take the Golem and with recent changes in Book 5 she has some good play.  However, Kaeris and Colette are both lagging in the Arcanist meta and Kaeris got not much (Specialist, maybe the Captain), while Colette got even less.

So from a cross-faction angle seems solid but from a inside faction balance for Arcanist's this is actually probably a shade worse.

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