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For a very short time in the morning (EU time) post-errata SS cost of models was displayed in official Wyrd app. Johan, Trapper, A&D got their cost increased by 1. Bishop, Taelor, Freikorps Specialist, DespMerc, The Guilty, Hans and Scramble got their cost decreased by 1.

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3 minutes ago, thatlatinspeakingguy said:

For a very short time in the morning (EU time) post-errata SS cost of models was displayed in official Wyrd app. Johan, Trapper, A&D got their cost increased by 1. Bishop, Taelor, Freikorps Specialist, DespMerc, The Guilty, Hans and Scramble got their cost decreased by 1.

I still have the new costs.

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3 stones for Desperate Mercenary?

Well they needed something, but I'm not sure they're worth that little. 14 Desperate Mercenaries and Tara?

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14 minutes ago, Freman said:

3 stones for Desperate Mercenary?

Well they needed something, but I'm not sure they're worth that little. 14 Desperate Mercenaries and Tara?

I think most spam lists aren`t as good as GG17.

 

I do think both Guild Guards and Desperate Merc should probably be Rare 4

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I guess people might use them as gap fillers, they have three stones spare and they don't really need anything else.

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At 1 stone Scramble actually begins to offer something to a crew. On an Enforcer, or a Henchman/Master who doesn't rely on Limited upgrades and has a empty slot available an extra point of movement could be very useful. It probably won't replace Oathkeeper on a regular basis, but situationally it could compete with Scout the Field. I can see it being regularly added to Taelor, which would bring her up to her old cost, but with extra movement to compensate for her being excruciatingly slow.

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I use Scramble regularly now, so thanks for the extra starting soulstones in my lists!

desperate mercs now the same price as Guild/Corrupted Hounds.... my Nix & Aionus list may need a rework.

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I think @ 7ss Specialist still isn't worth it, and Trapper @ 7ss is much more situational.  However,  Hans @ 7ss seems like pretty good spot and we're gonna see him on the table much more now I think.  A&D adding a stone seems fair, he's still amazing for the 2 prime masters you want him with - Hamlin and Levi

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1 minute ago, Davos said:

I think @ 7ss Specialist still isn't worth it, and Trapper @ 7ss is much more situational.  However,  Hans @ 7ss seems like pretty good spot and we're gonna see him on the table much more now I think.  A&D adding a stone seems fair, he's still amazing for the 2 prime masters you want him with - Hamlin and Levi

I think Specialist at 6SS would be weird. Sh6, ignore cover, min 2+burning. Blasts. 8 Wds+ Armor

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3 minutes ago, trikk said:

I think Specialist at 6SS would be weird. Sh6, ignore cover, min 2+burning. Blasts. 8 Wds+ Armor

For me, its the Df 4, Wk 4 that make him unappealing.  Even with armor,he drops real fast.  And since he's so slow, unless your opponent is being hyper aggressive, all he's doing his firt 3AP (most likely first 4) is walking forward.  Range 10 on his gun isn't great and he's kinda a sitting duck.

Sure you can toss him 6in w/Von Schill, but then you're putting extra wounds on him early.  He seems like a 1 trick pony - ie. Give him an extra armor + Ram from Engineer, throw him forward +give him oathkeeper W/VS, then have VS shoot a single model to get Priority Target.  Have Specialist I Pay Better Focus, then 1 AP focus, then shoot the Priority Target and hope you have the high Ram in hand and severe for damage and blasting.

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True true, those I'd heard a rumor they weren't making actual card/stat changes, only cost - saw it somewhere on Facebook, don't remember exactly.

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13 minutes ago, Davos said:

For me, its the Df 4, Wk 4 that make him unappealing.  Even with armor,he drops real fast.  And since he's so slow, unless your opponent is being hyper aggressive, all he's doing his firt 3AP (most likely first 4) is walking forward.  Range 10 on his gun isn't great and he's kinda a sitting duck.

Sure you can toss him 6in w/Von Schill, but then you're putting extra wounds on him early.  He seems like a 1 trick pony - ie. Give him an extra armor + Ram from Engineer, throw him forward +give him oathkeeper W/VS, then have VS shoot a single model to get Priority Target.  Have Specialist I Pay Better Focus, then 1 AP focus, then shoot the Priority Target and hope you have the high Ram in hand and severe for damage and blasting.

I didn`t say he would be broken. I also agree that its not the cost thats an issue but I understand the risk of lowering him to 6SS

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Nurses going up a stone is pretty bad for Jack, and he was already struggling! Also of note, McTavish has gone up a SS... Glad to see a cheaper scramble - scramble bishop for 10SS seems great to me. I hope there's more than just cost errata though - I'd like to see Parker get SOMETHING to help him work... Let's wait and see!

EDIT: I suppose if you were taking the Guilty tax for tormented Jack anyway it works out on average to no change...

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Von Schill struggled to fit his list so much and had so little cache, let's make couple of trappers cost 2ss more, yay!

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1 minute ago, Raimu said:

Von Schill struggled to fit his list so much and had so little cache, let's make couple of trappers cost 2ss more, yay!

Von Schill lists are pretty boss in GG18. Trappers also don`t exist in some isolated VS only state. They are mercenaries and the best snipers in the game for 6SS.

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2 minutes ago, trikk said:

Von Schill lists are pretty boss in GG18. Trappers also don`t exist in some isolated VS only state. They are mercenaries and the best snipers in the game for 6SS.

For 7ss they are worse version of Katanaka, and for 8ss you should really wanting to have a sniper in your crew. Sh 5 is not such big deal nowadays and other master have a lot of new releases competing with trapper spot. IMHO of course ;)

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Just now, Raimu said:

For 7ss they are worse version of Katanaka, and for 8ss you should really wanting to have a sniper in your crew. Sh 5 is not such big deal nowadays and other master have a lot of new releases competing with trapper spot. IMHO of course ;)

Yes, I will totally take a Katanaka now. Oh wait, I don`t play TT ;)

They were super strong for 6SS - Armor is better than HtK in most cases. They had a good (0) to get out of combat, immunity to blasts and built in reposition. They also work with multiple OC masters (like Levi who they are an waif-anchor for) and multiple non-OC lists like 3 changeling+trapper schtick or 2 trappers in Nellie list schtick.

They absolutely deserve the cost increase IMHO.

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Well,aionus is still 12 and wokou raider 8 stones

Other than that i like the changes

I hope it's gonna be released "officially" soone enough

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Well, probably only a nerdrage, but I've been facing Marcus crews the most, and I'm not really confortable with Trappers being more expensive than Cojo or the Razorspine Rattler, and costing the same than the Slateridge Mauler. With Sh 5, the main function of my Trappers was to force my opponent to waste cards. 

 

But well, the life continues and the lists evolves. Bas things happens.

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5 hours ago, trikk said:

Yes, I will totally take a Katanaka now. Oh wait, I don`t play TT ;)

They were super strong for 6SS - Armor is better than HtK in most cases. They had a good (0) to get out of combat, immunity to blasts and built in reposition. They also work with multiple OC masters (like Levi who they are an waif-anchor for) and multiple non-OC lists like 3 changeling+trapper schtick or 2 trappers in Nellie list schtick.

They absolutely deserve the cost increase IMHO.

Agreed. Those guys and Johan were too obvious auto-takes before. Even outside Outcast family.

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