tox77 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Hello, Monster hunters have ad ability they deals +1 damage to models with a higher Soulstone Cost. I know that models with 0 cost like masters or 0 cost henchmen have cost 13 minus cache for scheme. Does the same scheme work for monster hunter ability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 solkan Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, tox77 said: Hello, Monster hunters have ad ability they deals +1 damage to models with a higher Soulstone Cost. I know that models with 0 cost like masters or 0 cost henchmen have cost 13 minus cache for scheme. Does the same scheme work for monster hunter ability? No. Note that Masters do not have a Soulstone cost (which is different than having a 0 SS cost). Note also that when you say "for scheme" I have to assume you're referencing the GG2018 draft schemes. Those rules are specific to those schemes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Nikodemus Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 32 minutes ago, icebreaker said: Does it mean that I can't note enemy master for vendetta? Vendetta requires a model with a soulstone cost to be the target. Masters don't have a soulstone cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 esqulax Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 18 hours ago, icebreaker said: So monster hunter doesn't deal +1 damage against masters? (that sounds stupidly, they deal +1 against modelst stronger than they are, but not against masters who definitely stronger) Does it mean that I can't note enemy master for vendetta? The ability in general is stupid. It is crazy good and I really feel like it should have been a bonus against models on larger bases. There is nothing monstrous about a 7ss minion.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Ludvig Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Philosfr said: Say that to the 6 SS Grootslang! You do realize the irony in them not considering it a monster? Applying to a 50mm base size would have made sense in a lot of ways but would also meant them being completely unplayable because few crews even bring that. Beginning at 40mm might have worked, there are a lot of humanoids on 40mm bases but they are freakishly large. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 santaclaws01 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 44 minutes ago, Ludvig said: I've just assumed there was a parallell to big game hunters since it triggers off ss cost. Dual pistols kind of breaks that... Could have been keyword based I guess: nightmares, nephilim and undead or something but I'm guessing all the outrage on Kang made them not really itching for introsucing more models with that kind of bonus. I think if it was against Terrifying, or Terrifying(all) models that would be interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 icebreaker Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 So monster hunter doesn't deal +1 damage against masters? (that sounds stupidly, they deal +1 against modelst stronger than they are, but not against masters who definitely stronger) 14 minutes ago, solkan said: Note also that when you say "for scheme" I have to assume you're referencing the GG2018 draft schemes. Those rules are specific to those schemes. Does it mean that I can't note enemy master for vendetta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Philosfr Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 4:48 AM, esqulax said: The ability in general is stupid. It is crazy good and I really feel like it should have been a bonus against models on larger bases. There is nothing monstrous about a 7ss minion.... Say that to the 6 SS Grootslang! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 santaclaws01 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 48 minutes ago, Ludvig said: You do realize the irony in them not considering it a monster? Applying to a 50mm base size would have made sense in a lot of ways but would also meant them being completely unplayable because few crews even bring that. Beginning at 40mm might have worked, there are a lot of humanoids on 40mm bases but they are freakishly large. Or then there's Sidir who's on a 40mm but is a completely average human otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 -Loki- Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 26 minutes ago, santaclaws01 said: Or then there's Sidir who's on a 40mm but is a completely average human otherwise. Or an amalgamation of mankinds nightmares or a lanky guy with an octopus head on 30mm bases aren't monsters. A monster doesn't have to be huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ludvig Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 20 minutes ago, -Loki- said: Or an amalgamation of mankinds nightmares or a lanky guy with an octopus head on 30mm bases aren't monsters. A monster doesn't have to be huge. I've just assumed there was a parallell to big game hunters since it triggers off ss cost. Dual pistols kind of breaks that... Could have been keyword based I guess: nightmares, nephilim and undead or something but I'm guessing all the outrage on Kang made them not really itching for introsucing more models with that kind of bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 -Loki- Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 There's no right way to implement it. Base size leaves out smaller monsters and counts large based regular sized models (Sidir is a Monster but Coppelius isn't). SS cost leaves out large, cheap models but Counts regular people that are a bit expensive (a Beckoner is a Monster but the Grootslang isn't). Theres going to be issues either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ludvig Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 hours ago, -Loki- said: There's no right way to implement it. Base size leaves out smaller monsters and counts large based regular sized models (Sidir is a Monster but Coppelius isn't). SS cost leaves out large, cheap models but Counts regular people that are a bit expensive (a Beckoner is a Monster but the Grootslang isn't). Theres going to be issues either way. Thematically I think my keyword idea would solve it neatly, it's just that it would be wordy and make them really situational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 esqulax Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 18 hours ago, -Loki- said: There's no right way to implement it. Base size leaves out smaller monsters and counts large based regular sized models (Sidir is a Monster but Coppelius isn't). SS cost leaves out large, cheap models but Counts regular people that are a bit expensive (a Beckoner is a Monster but the Grootslang isn't). Theres going to be issues either way. True, it would have issues either way, but I still think it would make sense a lot more often if it was against larger based models. Or maybe just models that cost 8/9ss or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 WWHSD Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 On 12/11/2017 at 9:45 PM, -Loki- said: There's no right way to implement it. Base size leaves out smaller monsters and counts large based regular sized models (Sidir is a Monster but Coppelius isn't). SS cost leaves out large, cheap models but Counts regular people that are a bit expensive (a Beckoner is a Monster but the Grootslang isn't). Theres going to be issues either way. Ferdinand Vogel being a monster until he shapeshifts into the The Beast Within is my favorite Monster Hunter WTF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 WWHSD Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 21 minutes ago, WWHSD said: Ferdinand Vogel being a monster until he shapeshifts into the The Beast Within is my favorite Monster Hunter WTF. I wonder if that's a commentary on Wyrd's view of lawyers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Adran Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 11 minutes ago, WWHSD said: I wonder if that's a commentary on Wyrd's view of lawyers? 1st edition lawyers were beasts. It meant Marcus could hire them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 SunTsu Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 1:37 AM, santaclaws01 said: I think if it was against Terrifying, or Terrifying(all) models that would be interesting. I think that this could work well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Monster hunters have ad ability they deals +1 damage to models with a higher Soulstone Cost. I know that models with 0 cost like masters or 0 cost henchmen have cost 13 minus cache for scheme. Does the same scheme work for monster hunter ability?
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