Franchute Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Hello, Would you take Hoffman into the following 3 round tournament? Which list would you bring? You know your meta is dominated by Neverborn. You have access to all M&SU arcanist constructs but the rail golem. You dont have access to the peacekeeper and wardens, but you have 3 watchers and 2 guardians in your arsenal. You're considering McMourning or Sonnia (and maybe Perdita) as an alternative to Hoffman. You possess several arcanist beasts and academics for a possible McMourning list. Round 1: Strategy: Public Executions Close DeploymentSchemes: Guarded Treasure, Covert Breakthrough, Dig Their Graves, Set Up, Take Prisoner Round 2: Strategy: Ply for Information Standard Deployment Schemes: Surround Them, Dig Their Graves, Set Up, Hold Up Their Forces, Undercover Entourage Round 3: Strategy: Ours Corner Deployment Schemes: Eliminate the Leadership, Search The Ruins, Take One For The Team, Take Prisoner, Public Demonstration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rostislav Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 You have to choose only 1 master? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchute Posted December 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 35 minutes ago, Rostislav said: You have to choose only 1 master? No. You just feel like playing Hoffman these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoatz Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Ours is one of the more difficult strategies for Hoffman to do. Not impossible, but definitely difficult. I would also hesitate to take Hoffman into a pool with Hold Up Their Forces. Hoffman crews tend to be bunched up so that would be a fairly easy 3 points for the enemy crew. I don't think either of those things though are enough to say Hoffman would be a bad choice though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, skoatz said: Ours is one of the more difficult strategies for Hoffman to do. Not impossible, but definitely difficult Why? He doesn`t summon. Has sturdy models and a lot of mobility. He`s hard to put down so ETL is hard to score vs him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 His bubble nature can make ours tricky, but I've found hunters positioned between quarters are really helpful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Stompybots in close deployment makes me giddy. If I knew I was facing a black blood list, I would take the trouble to slip some steam arachnid swarms in there and watch the nephilim pout. The child is totem into an Eliminate pool, unless you want to try that cyborg-wastrel trick and/or NEED the null field on the mechanical attendant. Armor +2 vs. everything makes Titania sulky. Get that playing onto Hoffman himself however you can. I can get full Take One points for a guardian which will only die when I want it to. There has to be a high enough value target it’s protecting, though—I can see a crew that attacks Wp just ignoring it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoatz Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/1/2017 at 2:23 PM, trikk said: Why? He doesn`t summon. Has sturdy models and a lot of mobility. He`s hard to put down so ETL is hard to score vs him. Hoffman can easily hold two table quarters. It's harder to contest that third quarter though because you don't spread out as much with Hoffman. You certainly can, and with his new upgrade, Hoffman can place up to 6", so that helps. Still, he wouldn't be my first pick for Ours. Although I haven't played Ours much so that could be why I think that he isn't the greatest pick for the strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 @skoatz Hoffman should probably barred straight down the middle with his big stompy guys and try to completely take out an enemy flank while something weedy holds his backfield and some decently self-reliant model contests a third quarter. If you manage to kill enough turn 2 you can take most of his entourage away to one of their stronger flanks and in Ours! a single big bot left behind can probably out-score whatever they have left after he went to town on their strong flank while he chugs on through the rest of their crew. You could leave a decent amount of models alive if a peacekeeper hangs around to take that quarter from them and kill the last stragglers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoatz Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Ludvig said: @skoatz Hoffman should probably barred straight down the middle with his big stompy guys and try to completely take out an enemy flank while something weedy holds his backfield and some decently self-reliant model contests a third quarter. If you manage to kill enough turn 2 you can take most of his entourage away to one of their stronger flanks and in Ours! a single big bot left behind can probably out-score whatever they have left after he went to town on their strong flank while he chugs on through the rest of their crew. You could leave a decent amount of models alive if a peacekeeper hangs around to take that quarter from them and kill the last stragglers. That's a fair point. I guess I should try Hoffman in Ours more. It sounds like I've been underestimating him for this strategy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, skoatz said: That's a fair point. I guess I should try Hoffman in Ours more. It sounds like I've been underestimating him for this strategy. You should! Ours is so radically different from the old quarter strats. I hope to have a lot of fun with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchute Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Thanks guys. What about if you anticipate many Wp checks such as against Pandora or Seamus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 14 hours ago, Franchute said: Thanks guys. What about if you anticipate many Wp checks such as against Pandora or Seamus? Take Queeg alongside the modified stompybots and hope, mostly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 "Dead models cause no WP duels." Except the governor's proxy I guess. Nunb to the world makes you immune to silly paralysis and looping in a ml 7 should let you mess Pandora up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ludvig said: "Dead models cause no WP duels." Except the governor's proxy I guess. Nunb to the world makes you immune to silly paralysis and looping in a ml 7 should let you mess Pandora up. The Governor`s Proxy is a beast of myth and legends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, trikk said: The Governor`s Proxy is a beast of myth and legends. I ran it in three consecutive games with old Lucius. I think it managed to reach him to heal once in one of those games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewbert Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 I've had Hoffman neutered a couple of games by Challenge Aura which pops up in neverborn with barbaros quite a bit. nothing worse than taking a WP duel just to Power Loop your own model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 29 minutes ago, Stewbert said: I've had Hoffman neutered a couple of games by Challenge Aura which pops up in neverborn with barbaros quite a bit. nothing worse than taking a WP duel just to Power Loop your own model. Run the totem close to him and shut the aura down or take that aura shutdown upgrade on Joss or Queeg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Also, dead Barbaros doesn`t have an aura 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 On Joss, not Queeg. There, Hoffman can O.S.A. copy it. So can the child, if you really wanted to make a point about aura synergy. 3 minutes ago, trikk said: Also, dead Barbaros doesn`t have an aura Neutered Barbaros doesn’t have the guaranteed Frame for Murder points he thought he had, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewbert Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 All valid points and not actually something I had considered. I hadn't even assembled the totem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchute Posted December 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 What do you think about the following list for round 1 and 2? 50 SS Guild Crew Hoffman + 3 Pool - Field Mechanic (2) - Improved Harness (1) - Arcanist Assets (1) Mechanical Attendant (2) Joss (10) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Master Queeg (7) - Promises (1) Howard Langston (12) - Numb To The World (1) Watcher (4) Watcher (4) Watcher (4) (exported from CrewFaux) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 What schemes are you gunning for except dig their graves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchute Posted December 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 5 hours ago, Ludvig said: What schemes are you gunning for except dig their graves? I could do set up and Covert Breakthrough, and then set up and Hold Up Their Forces. But I guess other options could be considered too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 35 minutes ago, Franchute said: I could do set up and Covert Breakthrough, and then set up and Hold Up Their Forces. But I guess other options could be considered too. No dig? Seems easier than setup since you'll be going full steam with your big beaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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