DeadManTalking Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 I'm attending a tournament this next weekend and I'm kinda in a bind. Having just recently switched to Guild I don't have many models available to me, and due to there being no information on whether or not they are requiring painted models my pool is even less. Luckily I have a friend who is willing to let me borrow his stuff so that I don't have to switch back to Neverborn (unfortunately I don't believe he has any wave 4 or 5 models). So I'm trying to come up with one maybe two lists that are Jack-of-all-trade that share some models so that I don't have to make my friend lug a whole ton of stuff just for me. The other major issue is I don't know what any of the schemes or strategies are going to be. Here's the one list I've come up with so far... Perdita- 7 cache, Fastest Draw, Trick Shooting, Vengeance Bullet Enslaved Nephilim Frank- Debt to the Guild Peacekeeper- Debt to the Guild Guardian Brutal Effigy 2x Guild Hound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Without knowing schemes/strategies this will be tricky. Can we assume GG2017? Can you list what models you do potentially have access to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Governor-General Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Hmm... in my opinion, Perdita is probably one of the few Guild masters that doesn't have much need for the Guardian. Since Frank gets her to Df9, not much should be getting through that. Similarly, I don't think Frank needs DttG, and I'd rather see it traded out for Wade in or Hermanos. Since you don't know the schemes, I'd see if you could get Nino in there (with Numb to the World) to stop opponent scheming so you can focus on killing. Maybe throw in a Pistolero, and Abuela can marry off the Peacekeeper for more Family models. Also, with the dogs, its three or none. If I see two dogs, I'm killing one and the other's useless. Edit: if you can up the number of Family models, Aura Ancestral is a much better upgrade than Vengeance Bullet for Dita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadManTalking Posted October 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 So it will be GG 2017, I wont know the schemes until the day of which sucks but Strats will be posted at some point this week. As far as models I'm not 100% sure what all my friend has so I'll have to talk to him. I would assume almost everything wave 3 and prior. 9 hours ago, The Governor-General said: Hmm... in my opinion, Perdita is probably one of the few Guild masters that doesn't have much need for the Guardian. The Guardian is actually more for Frank or the Peacekeeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Governor-General Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 So, I love the Guardian normally, but I think you'll find he's a little slow in a Family crew, if you decide to go that direction. Using his Protect action on Franc is great, but I think you'll find similar levels of durability from Wade In, which is a lot cheaper. I definitely don't think the Peacekeeper needs Protect, despite the low Df, as Armor 2, HtW, and Terrifying (Living), plus his wound count can deal with a lot of incoming hate. To borrow a 40K term, the Peacekeeper is a Distraction Carnifex, and if you make him too defensible, the enemy will just ignore him rather than expend resources to kill him (and hopefully fail!). With Dita at Df9, and the Peacekeeper defensive +2, anyone with an attack will naturally go for Francisco, and ultimately you want your opponent stuck between two bad choices, not one obviously beneficial one. If it were me, I'd scrap the Gaurdian for Abuela, so she can marry off the Peacekeeper, and increase your Family numbers. That's all assuming you have access to these models, of course. I think you have a chance without knowing the scheme pool, but your best bet is to utilize the scheme denial of Nino with Family, and then kill off the opposing crew. That way a limited crew build can get your through most potential scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadManTalking Posted October 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 So something more like this? 50 SS Guild Crew Perdita Ortega + 6 Pool - Fastest Draw in Malifaux (1) - Trick Shooting (2) Enslaved Nephilim (3) Francisco Ortega (8) - Wade In (1) Peacekeeper (11) Abuela Ortega (7) Brutal Effigy (4) Guild Hound (3) Guild Hound (3) Guild Hound (3) (exported from CrewFaux) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 The guardian goes well with Wade In, they should be used together with the guardian healing Franc up from htk and also applying defensive which can be quite nice. Suit dependant but on a pretty low card at least. Not saying it's always the best choice but it goes well with him in some lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_Vulfhart Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Wow....never thought in using the pacekeeper with the ortegas...really solid list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Wall Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Certainly go for Wade in on Francisco instead of debt, and I would run Numb to the World on the Peacekeeper. Numb is my favorite upgrade especially in an unknown pool such as that. it can ruin an entire crew's plan. I am looking at you paralyze Pandora. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alansonchik Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Jury great in Dita crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadManTalking Posted October 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 53 minutes ago, Alansonchik said: Jury great in Dita crew. I would if I had access to her. Been wanting to try her out in several crews actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lame0 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I mean I think monster hunters are pretty great. Psudo armor and +1 damage vs cost 7+ is pretty awesome. Also I think the enslaved nephilim is great with McTavish. Push 6 then take a sh action with him is nice (use dogs for scheme markers). I'm thinking: 50 SS Guild Crew Perdita Ortega + 2 Pool - Trick Shooting (2) - Fastest Draw in Malifaux (1) Enslaved Nephilim (3) McTavish (11) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Francisco Ortega (8) - Wade In (1) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Monster Hunter (6) Monster Hunter (6) Guild Hound (3) Guild Hound (3) Brutal Effigy (4) Lightish on stones (but two debt ). if you want more stones you could ditch the hounds... Having stalk and two models with the creep up on them + obey isn't bad. (3ap for 1ap+a (0)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadManTalking Posted October 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 16 hours ago, lame0 said: 50 SS Guild Crew Perdita Ortega + 2 Pool - Trick Shooting (2) - Fastest Draw in Malifaux (1) Enslaved Nephilim (3) McTavish (11) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Francisco Ortega (8) - Wade In (1) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Monster Hunter (6) Monster Hunter (6) Guild Hound (3) Guild Hound (3) Brutal Effigy (4) Lightish on stones (but two debt ). if you want more stones you could ditch the hounds... Having stalk and two models with the creep up on them + obey isn't bad. (3ap for 1ap+a (0)) I would totally go for Monster hunters if I had access to them but I don't. I also wish I could take the Jury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadManTalking Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Sorry for double post here. I just found out that there is no painting requirement for the tournament which is nice because it means I can bring a few more models. So for my second Master I'm going to bring Nellie. I have a list I've been using with her regularly, and I've been struggling with it so if you guys have any suggestions... 50 SS Guild Crew Nellie Cochrane + 6 Pool - Delegation (1) - Misleading Headlines (1) - Guild Funds (1) The Printing Press (3) McTavish (11) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Phiona Gage (8) - Transparency (1) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Francisco Ortega (8) - Wade In (1) - Diestro (3) Field Reporter (4) Field Reporter (4) (exported from CrewFaux) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandmann Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 If you go with Guild Funds, consider a Watcher to farm soulstones in the first round(s) and scheme later on. And Phiona should maybe have Wrath of the Guild - when I play her, It's basically stapled to her card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadManTalking Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Sandmann said: If you go with Guild Funds, consider a Watcher to farm soulstones in the first round(s) and scheme later on. And Phiona should maybe have Wrath of the Guild - when I play her, It's basically stapled to her card. So something more like this? 50 SS Guild Crew Nellie Cochrane + 7 Pool - Delegation (1) - Misleading Headlines (1) - Guild Funds (1) The Printing Press (3) Hannah (11) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Phiona Gage (8) - Transparency (1) - Wrath of The Guild (1) Francisco Ortega (8) - Wade In (1) Field Reporter (4) Watcher (4) (exported from CrewFaux) This leaves me with at least 2 stones to add upgrades to Frank and Hannah, or would you add another 4 stone model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias79 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I’m going to disagree that Wrath of the Guild is a requirement on Phiona. I’ve stopped using it entirely, and her damage output hasn’t really changed. You’re going to use her a lot to hit things out of her activation (via Nellie), and the number of 3 damage attacks is enough. I’d drop that, take no more than her cache of 4 soul stones, and fit another model in. Activation control is key for Nellie, having a lot of models, along with the ability to “pass” is ideal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucket Monkey Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I've stopped taking Wrath too. I quite like debt to the guild of I've got the stones spare, but often its just transparency if it's a scheme marker based pool. Most stones I take with Nellie tends to be 5. I've normally got 3 x debt to the guild which adds more later on. This was my usual embedded list with Nellie. 50 SS Guild Crew Nellie Cochrane + 4 Pool - Delegation (1) - Embedded (1) - Misleading Headlines (1) The Printing Press (3) McTavish (10) - Numb To The World (1) Phiona Gage (8) - Transparency (1) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Burt Jebsen (7) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Johan (6) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Brutal Effigy (4) Watcher (4) (exported from CrewFaux) Its quite hitty which suits my playstyle. Id change some things up depending on faction/pool I was facing. Anna Lovelace was often going into Ten Thunders when I thought they'd be focusing on pushing. Taelor into Ressers. Field Reporters and Performers if I need scheme marker manipulation. I'll probably run embedded Nellie less now weve got the great options wave 5 has given us. Looking forward to Monster Hunters, Jury and Quellers with her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizuriel Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 I really like abuela paired up with phiona. Phiona's lack of a 0 action let's her push abuela around, and abuela's pseudo obey let's phiona command stone easier or get extras attacks which she loves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STO Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Great point re Phiona - Abuela tacticks, thx! I have noticed that McTavish and Burt can be found in Guild list recently, what do you find them better than our Guild models ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, STO said: Great point re Phiona - Abuela tacticks, thx! I have noticed that McTavish and Burt can be found in Guild list recently, what do you find them better than our Guild models ? They get extra attacks which translates to a lot of damage, especially with debt to the guild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucket Monkey Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 On 20/10/2017 at 7:55 AM, STO said: Great point re Phiona - Abuela tacticks, thx! I have noticed that McTavish and Burt can be found in Guild list recently, what do you find them better than our Guild models ? I'll only run them with embedded Nellie. Fast, reckless Bert when he burns debt for potentially 4 min 4 attacks is too good to pass up. And we have some good slippery targets with the printing press or traps if I include the pathfinder. Same with McTavish for potentially 4 shots a turn, with his high damage spike he can delete a model fairly efficiently, sometimes if I don't think I'll need Johans 3" melee to lock things down ill swap him out for papa loco, he can hide behind McTavish and give him the pos to damage which really ups his efficiency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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