Le gob Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 As it seems that 2 of strategies from GG2018 (still in beta- may change) will be scored by having conditions on your models and it's possible to dispell them, what are the good options we have in neverborn to remove conditions from the opponent's models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Git Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Johan... 10" range, needs 4 to succeed Although if you want to go in faction, Scion of Black Blood (6 ability that goes off at the start of target's activation, costs 2 cards) or the unreleased Serena Bowman (3' range, needs 6 to succeed) also work. Dreamer's quite good at it too if you're playing him. But for me the best all-rounder is still Johan which is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le gob Posted September 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, Da Git said: But for me the best all-rounder is still Johan which is It's really sad our best option is still a mercenary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedar Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Scion, Dreamer and Serena can remove conditions only from friendly models. Only offensive option to remove conditions from enemy models is either Johan or Mysterious Emissary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelshard Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Mysterious have the suit built in and 6" range. One of the best offensive dispels in the game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehouse Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Mysterious emissary plus doppelganger and lilitu (lure them to you). you could kill the models with condition, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corwin Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 With Collodi you can have the Arcane Effigy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, Corwin said: With Collodi you can have the Arcane Effigy. Only removes conditions from friendly models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 On 23/09/2017 at 2:51 PM, Le gob said: It's really sad our best option is still a mercenary. Johan is probably everyones best option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Git Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 17 hours ago, Adran said: Johan is probably everyones best option. Disagree. Chiaki (doesn't need suit, amazing support model, more mobile, cheaper) is my go to girl in Ressers and 10T. Low River Monks are also incredible for their cost with their upgrade. Witching are better in Guild (cheaper, can shoot, not competing for Rams). But that's for another topic. The point is that it's sad that a merc is better than the three condition removal models Neverborn have. I'd be ecstatic if the Scion became good! Either that or Neverborn need some better card draw to make his discards worth it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelshard Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Offensivly emissary is better. Scion has the advantage of not messing up activation order, can't fail on a bj and can remove even if he's paralyzed. Serena gives a heal on top which is something we don't have a lot of. Each of them can be worth it if you also have another plan for them. But yeah Johan is probably still the best all rounder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Git Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Angelshard said: Offensivly emissary is better. Scion has the advantage of not messing up activation order, can't fail on a bj and can remove even if he's paralyzed. Serena gives a heal on top which is something we don't have a lot of. Each of them can be worth it if you also have another plan for them. But yeah Johan is probably still the best all rounder. Give the (wo)man(?) an Internet cookie! Agree with all of these points! Going from the Errata page, Scion really needs a buff, even just a SS drop to 7 to put him on par with Johan would be lovely! Alternatively, I would push for either Ml/Sh 6 or some built-in triggers ( on Sh for Hide in Shadows and on Ml for Blood's Favour{the heal}. I'd play the Hell out of this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 On 9/27/2017 at 1:45 AM, Da Git said: The point is that it's sad that a merc is better than the three condition removal models Neverborn have. I'd be ecstatic if the Scion became good! Either that or Neverborn need some better card draw to make his discards worth it. But Johan is better than a lot of condition removal models. I can't even think of another model that Arcanists can take that can remove conditions from enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Git Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 minute ago, WWHSD said: But Johan is better than a lot of condition removal models. I can't even think of another model that Arcanists can take that can remove comditipns from enemies. I've probably been way spoilt playing Ten Thunders & Ressers where Chiaki is amazing (10T also have MoLR & Shen) and Guild (Witchlings & now Jury). But I also don't see that as a reason for Neverborn's options to be sub-par. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergonomic Cat Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 On 9/28/2017 at 7:50 PM, Da Git said: I've probably been way spoilt playing Ten Thunders & Ressers where Chiaki is amazing (10T also have MoLR & Shen) and Guild (Witchlings & now Jury). But I also don't see that as a reason for Neverborn's options to be sub-par. I've always considered that part of our Faction identity. We don't really do condition removal. It's not our thing. And I'm fine with that. We shouldn't be good at everything. Our condition removal comes as a part of something weaker. We can do it if we want, but it's going to be harder. Now I don't disagree that Scion should get a bit of work, but I think his condition removal is fine and flavorful for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmod Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 I seem to remember this being part of the design philosophy with M2E and mercs; not everyone should have access to everything, but mercs would ensure no-one is completely left in the dust. Same with Hans and long range, and, without me remembering the other examples, others as well. Think it was in a Chronicles, or possibly on Justin's blog... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, tmod said: I seem to remember this being part of the design philosophy with M2E and mercs; not everyone should have access to everything, but mercs would ensure no-one is completely left in the dust. Same with Hans and long range, and, without me remembering the other examples, others as well. Think it was in a Chronicles, or possibly on Justin's blog... Pretty sure it was in Justin's blog. Talked about Hans, Johan and Taelor. Seems the domain is expired now though. http://justindrawingdead.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmod Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Nikodemus said: Pretty sure it was in Justin's blog. Talked about Hans, Johan and Taelor. Seems the domain is expired now though. http://justindrawingdead.com Probably right. Most likely to track down using waybackmachine or something for those interested... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 https://web.archive.org/web/20170301223513/http://justindrawingdead.com/?p=216 Here's the one I was thinking of, for those interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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