Da Git Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Ok, I had a bit of an epiphany today and realised that Titania is by far the most inclusive master in the game! Looking at all the Fae models, we've got so far: Titania - winged humanoid/angel Aeslin & the Autumn knights - humanoids wrapped in trees The Gorar - snake Rougarou - whopping great wolf Bandersnatch - a sneaky-ass shadow hopping death-spider! Cyclopse - huge one-eyed (who saw that coming!) hulk-like humanoids Bultungin - were-hyenas A pretty disparate bunch really. It seems the Fae are a big conglomerate of different species that have banded together under Titania's leadership, especially now that one of her upgrades turns other models into Fae. So my question is, what makes a Fae, a Fae? In book 4 Titania mentioned that the Fae had a strong soul and while the humans was a guttering flame in comparison, the Neverborn's were kind of similar. So do all of these creatures share that same essence? Is it imparted on the new recruits when they do the letting stone thing? Or does the "Fae" title really just include the humanoid Court and then the others are more second-class citizens (and then the non-humanoid Fae are vermin (humans) or servants in need of heeling (Neverborn))? Also, as mentioned in the wish-list thread, hoping we see the tattoo'd Fae on the cover of Book 4 one day! It would be nice to see the other Fae that were buried with her besides her generals & puppies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosfr Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 I don't think the Fae are "multiple species" or anything like that, but are closer to the old magic. Neverborn lore has them taking on forms of human nightmares and such. Nephilim are weakened from the wars of the past, and probably are more straight forward than they used to be, but the Fae are old. They were around at the height of magic, and likely were a lot more adaptable as a result. "Faerie tales" are likely heavily influenced by fae after all. Also, Titania created the knights out of other things, so I'd say it's a heavy dose of magic suiting form to purpose. That's true of a lot of Neverborn, even Lilith was able to change her form to better suit her wishes, though in her case it doesn't seem too easy or casual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Git Posted September 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Also how flippin' powerful is Titania?! The Bultungin were wiped out millennia ago and Titania restores their fossilised bones to LIFE! Undead I could understand, but these guys are LIVING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somnicide Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 plus if you take her Righteous Indignation all Enforcers and Minions become Fae (and undead), which I like to image are just ancient creatures that had been imprisoned and are just kind of leaking out of Nythera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosfr Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Da Git said: Also how flippin' powerful is Titania?! The Bultungin were wiped out millennia ago and Titania restores their fossilised bones to LIFE! Undead I could understand, but these guys are LIVING. Arguably, she might have created them in the first place, so raising a few from the dead as living rather than undead wouldn't be that much of a stretch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Da Git said: Also how flippin' powerful is Titania?! Powerful enough to catch Zoraida off guard with a spell the swamp witch didn't expect her to know. She's not anywhere near the height of her power when she shattered the physical forms of the Tyrants, but she's still a very, very powerful lady. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedar Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Da Git said: Also how flippin' powerful is Titania?! Probably strongest being in Malifaux, as she destroyed physical forms of Tyrants - personifications of many primordial forces, like death and fear itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 The TTB 2.0 rulebook goes a bit into the history of the Malifaux and Neverborn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorschlag Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 In most mythos Fae or Fae like beings are or can be shape shifters of one kind or another. Lucius suggested in one of the books that the form of all neverborn is distorted and cannot be captured by a struggling artist he's about to replace or do away with. My personal take on Titanias arrival story was that she likened the Fae most to the mimics but others disagreed and suggested her reference was to all neverborn. To me mimics would make sense especially since "changelings" are mimics but the term is attributed to creatures the "Fae" replaced human children with when they stole someone's child to raise in their court. The Fae in one of the chronicles (I forget her name the one with the whips and the pig tails) refers to the Fae as traditionally having redhair. This tends to make me assume the human like Fae are the court and other forms are recruited or enslaved lesser "fairy folk". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 52 minutes ago, Vorschlag said: In most mythos Fae or Fae like beings are or can be shape shifters of one kind or another. Lucius suggested in one of the books that the form of all neverborn is distorted and cannot be captured by a struggling artist he's about to replace or do away with. My personal take on Titanias arrival story was that she likened the Fae most to the mimics but others disagreed and suggested her reference was to all neverborn. To me mimics would make sense especially since "changelings" are mimics but the term is attributed to creatures the "Fae" replaced human children with when they stole someone's child to raise in their court. The Fae in one of the chronicles (I forget her name the one with the whips and the pig tails) refers to the Fae as traditionally having redhair. This tends to make me assume the human like Fae are the court and other forms are recruited or enslaved lesser "fairy folk". Both mimics and nephilim are decedents of the fae. Their respective powers to change appearance are a result of the latent energies in the world after the defeat of the Tyrants though, rather than an inherited trait. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadaver_Junkie Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I really feel like there's also references here to the Elves of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels (which in turn are references to old Faerie tales). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Git Posted September 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 17 hours ago, Mason said: Powerful enough to catch Zoraida off guard with a spell the swamp witch didn't expect her to know. She's not anywhere near the height of her power when she shattered the physical forms of the Tyrants, but she's still a very, very powerful lady. To me, that one didn't actually seem like a boost to Titania's power but Zoraida underestimating her. Mama Z has been the only one manipulating Fate that (in my mind at least) she didn't think that she might suddenly have competition. If Zoraida can cast that spell, then power-wise, so should a fair few other masters provided they have the skill and knowledge. There was no reason to assume that Titania, as queen of the Fae, the origins of the Neverborn, wouldn't have that knowledge. Hell, the Fae could have been the ones to create the magic that Mama Z uses. A bit off-topic (I started this thread, so nya!), but another question is who or what is Fate? In the Shifting Loyalties Neverborn story; Master of Fate, the Trio talk of Fate as a living thing... Quote From Zoraida: Fate, I am doing what you asked of me. Do not ask any more, I beg you. Fate, you have known this all along, and you have brought me here to see it. Truly, I curse you to the darkest depths of hell. and from Pandora: Fate chose well when it picked you. This is going to be very much clutching at straws here, but is Fate a Fae? Looking at the words, there's only one letter different... Like I said, Straws! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Da Git said: A bit off-topic (I started this thread, so nya!), but another question is who or what is Fate? In the Shifting Loyalties Neverborn story; Master of Fate, the Trio talk of Fate as a living thing... This is going to be very much clutching at straws here, but is Fate a Fae? Looking at the words, there's only one letter different... Like I said, Straws! That's just a bit of personification is all. "Monday is really kicking my ass today..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somnicide Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 It's malifaux, so my guess is another tyrant, like despair, or death. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Somnicide said: It's malifaux, so my guess is another tyrant, like despair, or death. Isn't that Grave Spirit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somnicide Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I think that is the imprisoned name. There is a lot of new background in through the breach 2.0 core Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Loki- Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 The Grave Spirit is not a Tyrant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
never born again Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Titania... and the Fae.... it all comes from Shakespeare. She's from A Midsummer Nights' Dream. Titania and Oberon are the Queen/King of all of Fae and of all the Fae Folk. Fae refers to both the land and the various peoples who live there. But of course it's Malifaux so it's all dark and twisted. Huzzah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azkral Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 On 21/9/2017 at 10:57 PM, Somnicide said: It's malifaux, so my guess is another tyrant, like despair, or death. Fortune is a Tyrant that hasn't appeared yet. Fate and fortune are very closely related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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