4thstringer Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 If you had to select 5 models to ban from Guild to make playing them "Hard Mode" which models would they be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Nellie Phiona Frank Guild Hounds Peacekeeper If you mean non-master I`d replace Nellie with Brutal Effigy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Pretty much what Trikk said I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 You'd have to ban Nellie or it would just be the non-Guild all-stars instead. Consider adding a 'no mercenaries for anyone' clause? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted September 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 I kind of assumed Nellie would make the list in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Doesn't seem that difficult to me. My typical Hoffman list has none of those models. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Myyrä said: Doesn't seem that difficult to me. My typical Hoffman list has none of those models. Mine neither although it might change with Cyborg and the Ram upgrade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted September 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Myyrä said: Doesn't seem that difficult to me. My typical Hoffman list has none of those models. So is the problem that 5 models isn't enough (if so how many would you suggest)? Or do you disagree with the ones chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, 4thstringer said: So is the problem that 5 models isn't enough (if so how many would you suggest)? Or do you disagree with the ones chosen. Hoffman just has totally different priorities. My beater of choice is Joss which will never be on the list for example. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, 4thstringer said: So is the problem that 5 models isn't enough (if so how many would you suggest)? Or do you disagree with the ones chosen. Doesn't make sense to replace anything on that list with Joss. Although, I could see how Emissary could get there instead of Peacekeeper. All in all, 5 models doesn't seem enough to make a serious dent in all the competitive lists. 10 might get you there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted September 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, trikk said: Hoffman just has totally different priorities. My beater of choice is Joss which will never be on the list for example. TBH that list won't effect most of my Lucius lists either. The Book 1 masters will really miss frank though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, 4thstringer said: TBH that list won't effect most of my Lucius lists either. The Book 1 masters will really miss frank though. Funnily enough, Perdita will miss him the least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 I think Sonnia will miss him the most since Swordfighter and Recruiters came out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, trikk said: I think Sonnia will miss him the most since Swordfighter and Recruiters came out Her, and possibly McMourning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Actually, speaking of hard mode, you can use the 'no mercenaries' clause to get your opponent to stop hiring those oiran. I flinch every time I read battle reports with those included. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gnomezilla said: Actually, speaking of hard mode, you can use the 'no mercenaries' clause to get your opponent to stop hiring those oiran. I flinch every time I read battle reports with those included. So, you are trying to make it more difficult for yourself by preventing the opponent from hiring Oirans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 22 minutes ago, Myyrä said: So, you are trying to make it more difficult for yourself by preventing the opponent from hiring Oirans? Exactly so. There's two ways to balance a mismatched pair of lists with hiring restrictions, so why not look at both of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legislat Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Am i missing something? Whats so scary about Oirans?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Legislat said: Am i missing something? Whats so scary about Oirans?.. They are scary bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted September 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 That's harsh. I am not a fan myself, but will say out meta tends to try out all kinds of different models in the games that we play. My opponent was no different (though I think he saw some decent success with double oiran at Nova). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharnage Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Easy question! Brutal effigy Brutal Emissary Francisco Guardians Witchling stalkers The thing is, there's still plenty of room for theme crews, but without these 5 models which I would confidently say are most universally used, and out of habit if nothing else, it would be hard to make guild crews without these models. In my experience playing guild is itself hard mode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted September 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 So combining the two lists I've gotten so far, no effigy, emisary, frank, nellie, phi, guardians, witchling stalkers, hounds, or peacekeeper. Seems like that would work. 13 minutes ago, Kharnage said: Easy question! Brutal effigy Brutal Emissary Francisco Guardians Witchling stalkers The thing is, there's still plenty of room for theme crews, but without these 5 models which I would confidently say are most universally used, and out of habit if nothing else, it would be hard to make guild crews without these models. In my experience playing guild is itself hard mode You've obviously missed all my cheerleading theads where I have been saying that new guild 2018 is super strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legislat Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 The most missed model will be brutal effigy. The rest is easily replaced by new models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharnage Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: You've obviously missed all my cheerleading theads where I have been saying that new guild 2018 is super strong To be fair, I don't have that much experience with wave 5 Guild. On paper, advanced harness Hoffman excites and terrifies me, and Lady J got some nice buffs with actually usable upgrades, and on the flip side, while song of blood for Lilith and either upgrade for Dreamer are decent enough to consider, it's not the "Oh man, the game has been changed, look out world!" vibe Guild upgrades seem to be getting. That news makes me hopeful however, as Guild is arguably one of the most fun factions to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted September 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Kharnage said: To be fair, I don't have that much experience with wave 5 Guild. On paper, advanced harness Hoffman excites and terrifies me, and Lady J got some nice buffs with actually usable upgrades, and on the flip side, while song of blood for Lilith and either upgrade for Dreamer are decent enough to consider, it's not the "Oh man, the game has been changed, look out world!" vibe Guild upgrades seem to be getting. That news makes me hopeful however, as Guild is arguably one of the most fun factions to play. Eh, I wouldn't take my word for it. But here's hoping! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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