Thottbot Posted September 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 31 minutes ago, DXXXVIII said: Best way to expand from the Von schill crew? Keep the freikorps-crew but replace Von Schill himself by your newly acquired Tara. Hah, funny i only acquired Von Schill because he's so straight forward and easy to learn, great for try outs of the game, and it was also okay because all the models acquired were mercenaries so my Arcanist masters can hire them if neccessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raimu Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 18 hours ago, apes-ma said: The place from Clockwork Arm doesn't let you place the target in terrain, unfortunately... We have a board at my local club which is full severe terrain with elevated pieces of terrain in it. So Von Schill cannot do any placement at all on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedar Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Unfortunately yes. I played once vs Leveticus on bayou map, where everything was sever terrain. He couldn't summon his waifs whole game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 19 hours ago, Davos said: I've tried something similar to this, and while it "works" it is SOOO card and AP intensive, its hard to truly pull off and get the value/worth from it. You need so much to go right for you from the getgo. You need to 5Rams for the armor +ram, you need a good number of high cards to make the damage actually worth it. Moreover, this is assuming your opponent isn't doing anything agressive. And since you're most likely being out-activated (cause its VS, of course you are) they can easily see what you're doing and avoid it or do otherthings until you're done and then just murder Specialist. Its a really cool and powerful idea in concept, its just that with our current models and state of meta/game, its very very high effort for minimal rewards Yes, I know that it's not the best tactic in the game, and ww can do better Alpha Strikes with less efforts. But it's a possibility that you haven't with previous VS. Even your opponent avoidind the menacing bubble of the flying Specialist could be good. You still have the chance of doing this late in the game, and it maybe hard, but can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Raimu said: We have a board at my local club which is full severe terrain with elevated pieces of terrain in it. So Von Schill cannot do any placement at all on it? Few times I've been in that kind of situation, my opponent and I just gave each other shifty looks and mumbled "we can probably place some models/markers here no problem?" - "no problem". But yeah by RAW you can't. "Not in terrain" placement effects in general feel like they're there mostly so you can't toss a model on top of ht6 building or something silly like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Well, the idea of VS grabbing one of his loyal soldiers and launching him/her onto the top of a building looked like funny to me xD. I understand the balance issues, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apes-ma Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Raimu said: We have a board at my local club which is full severe terrain with elevated pieces of terrain in it. So Von Schill cannot do any placement at all on it? That is true! BUT... 30 minutes ago, Nikodemus said: Few times I've been in that kind of situation, my opponent and I just gave each other shifty looks and mumbled "we can probably place some models/markers here no problem?" - "no problem". But yeah by RAW you can't. "Not in terrain" placement effects in general feel like they're there mostly so you can't toss a model on top of ht6 building or something silly like that. I agree - the "not in terrain" line is definitely to prevent "feel bad" plays, like tossing an enemy in the middle of impassable terrain they can't get out of, or tossing a sniper on top of a height 15 building that no one can get to. In situations where the whole board is severe terrain I think it's time for a gentleman's agreement to ensure that there are no dumb things done with places, but also that models and abilities CAN work the way they are supposed to. So @Raimu, you'd obviously have to agree this with your opponent, but I think in this case it's correct to play the way the rules are intended (and allow Von Schill, and other place/summon effects for markers, models etc. to work) and just make sure that you are also not abusing these effects (e.g. placing Sandeep in the middle of a building to keep him safe for a turn, or something). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beevison Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 23 minutes ago, apes-ma said: tossing a sniper on top of a height 15 building that no one can get to. Out of curiosity what stops a sniper using "from the shadows" to start on top of unreachable building top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, beevison said: Out of curiosity what stops a sniper using "from the shadows" to start on top of unreachable building top. Nothing if you didn't define it as "impassable" or whatever that terrain trait is. If you did then nothing's allowed to go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apes-ma Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, beevison said: Out of curiosity what stops a sniper using "from the shadows" to start on top of unreachable building top. Hahaha good point! Perhaps it was too close to enemy deployment? Or the sniper is Hans?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davos Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I think its more of a factor that the Specialist is in desperate need of some love. at 8SS, he is WAY overcosted, for a Df4, Wk 4, range 10 model. either his cost needs to be lowered, or his stat line needs to be increased. Even his gun isn't that incredibly strong. Sure, blast + burning is nice, but he's still only 2/3/4, which for a 8SS model is pretty low. Now, even improves with Enginner and VS, but now we're talking 14+ SS of models/upgrades to make him viable. That doesn't seem worth the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I agree in Specialist needing a boost (I think everybody agrees). Just trying to have some fun with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davos Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Oh yea, I agree completely. I used him early on after the upgrades dropped. It was fun to fire bomb models. I guess I'm thinking more competitive play. For shits & giggles it is a cute thing to surprise someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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