Ludvig Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Debt on a rogue necro could cause some hurt, always nice with blasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legislat Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Is there any news on Nellie, J and Perdita? McCabe: 1SS - Perfect Camouflage when on self, Dont mind me and Disguised when on others. 1SS - can switch one upgrade with the other (which is not in play and has restiction McCabe) when he activates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebreaker Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Lady J: 2ss, limited - gives pine box but with CA7 and (1) CA7 vs Df attack action that can targeted only buried model Dita: 1SS - (1) action to discard scheme markers 1SS - permanent +2 to initiative, if lose initiative, draw a cart Nellie: 2SS - if you have more VP then opposing crew - models heals 1 damage then activates and + to WP duels. (0) change unreveal scheme 2SS - aura to get +1 evidence if eneme place a marker(in any way, not matter was it interact or not), trigger to propaganda - target gains +1 Fees and the best (0) end evidence condition and draw as many cards as was a value on the condition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinimumPhase Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Tris said: Single use of power loop - for whom? Can other models only borrow the stat onece and then it goes away, can the cyborg borrow just once, or both? Only if you want to/can answer of course The cyborg can only borrow once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 35 minutes ago, MinimumPhase said: The cyborg can only borrow once. That doesn't sound too limiting, because the non-construct models tend to have better raw stats. Avoids some Ca sillines, when you can't spam actions with borrowed Ca 8 from a Metal Gamin. Death Marshals could still be pretty annoying, especially since Hoffman could also copy Pine Box with OSA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Warrior Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 13 hours ago, MinimumPhase said: Lucius gets an upgrade that gives him arcane reservoir, and the ability to discard a card to draw one. If the drawn card is worse, he can discard it to draw another. His other upgrade has three abilities. The first is that he can discard an opponent's scheme marker at the start of his activation if he has more vp. The second is that when he kills a model with Devil's Deal, he gets another soul stone. The third is an action that can give a target the condition that it cannot cheat fate. Oh my stars! More than I had dared to dream! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legislat Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 33 minutes ago, Jam Warrior said: Oh my stars! More than I had dared to dream! Any info about the upgrades cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerHarris Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 The enhanced Arcane Reservoir is 2SS, the other one is 1SS. These upgrades have, in my opinion at least, the potential to push Lucius to the top tier. He's actually now a better support Master than Colette with more useful scheme and Soulstone manipulation tricks - who would have thought we'd ever say that? Plus you get to spend the game calling your opponent a dim bulb with a straight face (Dim Bulb is the condition applied to prevent the enemy model cheating fate). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizuriel Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 I'm kind of concerned with abilities that punish opponents from being behind. That kind of mechanic is usually not healthy in a game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted August 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, PanzerHarris said: The enhanced Arcane Reservoir is 2SS, the other one is 1SS. These upgrades have, in my opinion at least, the potential to push Lucius to the top tier. He's actually now a better support Master than Colette with more useful scheme and Soulstone manipulation tricks - who would have thought we'd ever say that? Plus you get to spend the game calling your opponent a dim bulb with a straight face (Dim Bulb is the condition applied to prevent the enemy model cheating fate). I would have argued lucius as better than Colette since the Jan errata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, wizuriel said: I'm kind of concerned with abilities that punish opponents from being behind. That kind of mechanic is usually not healthy in a game It's maybe not that useful in a tournament game, as it doesn't help you win, it's often just 'win more'. But depends greatly on the available schemes of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerHarris Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: I would have argued lucius as better than Colette since the Jan errata. Played both extensively and won an event with Colette - her upgrades and supporting cast meant she was just ahead for me. Not any more... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Myyrä said: That doesn't sound too limiting, because the non-construct models tend to have better raw stats. Avoids some Ca sillines, when you can't spam actions with borrowed Ca 8 from a Metal Gamin. Death Marshals could still be pretty annoying, especially since Hoffman could also copy Pine Box with OSA. And your opponent, for all they know, could be facing Lady Justice and her new coffin as well. Is this what it was like in the very early days? Opponent declaring Guild meant a high-percentage threat of a bury crew? 46 minutes ago, PanzerHarris said: The enhanced Arcane Reservoir is 2SS, the other one is 1SS. These upgrades have, in my opinion at least, the potential to push Lucius to the top tier. He's actually now a better support Master than Colette with more useful scheme and Soulstone manipulation tricks - who would have thought we'd ever say that? Plus you get to spend the game calling your opponent a dim bulb with a straight face (Dim Bulb is the condition applied to prevent the enemy model cheating fate). Nellie is just fine for that too. "Scathing Review--you're a stupidhead!" "Nuh-uh...eighteen." "Yah-huh...nineteen." "Fine...*writing down Humiliation* but I'm still not answering any questions." [It was late game and we were sleepy. ] I am happy to see someone got the card draw I was hoping for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Gnomezilla said: I am happy to see someone got the card draw I was hoping for. I'd still posit that Hoffman got much more than Lucius. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizuriel Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 51 minutes ago, Tris said: It's maybe not that useful in a tournament game, as it doesn't help you win, it's often just 'win more'. But depends greatly on the available schemes of course. VPF is still useful for breaking ties. In a casual game though the upgrade just punishes people for being behind. Either healing your models or just removing a scheme for free will also greatly hamper an opponent already behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Being behind in VP does not necessarily mean being behind in the game. There are also schemes you score at the end of the game. Although, the upgrade could also punish a player who is actually behind in the game, but that could be said about a lot of abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, Myyrä said: I'd still posit that Hoffman got much more than Lucius. I'm sure he did. It will be odd to use a 6ss model that isn't a warden. It's too much to contemplate, though, being able to make non-constructs into stompybots. That overwhelms everything else. The VP thing plays into my style of picking schemes that score early, even though I'm not as terribly slow as I used to be while playing. (Except for learning Nellie.) Off-topic, it was proposed that the Always scheme revert to being an end-of-game scheme, which while it is not my style I absolutely support. Full credit to he who suggested it first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizuriel Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 What other abilities specially punish someone for being behind? While I agree it is possible to be behind in VP but not the game (example having covert breakthrough as a scheme), just having a scheme like that will make it harder for you to score the 2nd scheme or strategy (potentially). Personally would have rather seen the upgrade be the other way around, it gives you a bonus if you're behind in VP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 minute ago, wizuriel said: What other abilities specially punish someone for being behind? While I agree it is possible to be behind in VP but not the game (example having covert breakthrough as a scheme), just having a scheme like that will make it harder for you to score the 2nd scheme or strategy (potentially). Personally would have rather seen the upgrade be the other way around, it gives you a bonus if you're behind in VP. But that is the schtick of Ten Thunders. We shouldn't mimic them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 minute ago, wizuriel said: What other abilities specially punish someone for being behind? For example, Nico's summoning works like that to an extent, the more models the opponent loses the more Nico can summon. It also works under other circumstances, but it will still beat his opponent while he is down. 1 minute ago, wizuriel said: While I agree it is possible to be behind in VP but not the game (example having covert breakthrough as a scheme), just having a scheme like that will make it harder for you to score the 2nd scheme or strategy (potentially). Personally would have rather seen the upgrade be the other way around, it gives you a bonus if you're behind in VP. The effect doesn't sound awfully strong to begin with, so I don't really care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, Gnomezilla said: I'm sure he did. It will be odd to use a 6ss model that isn't a warden. It's too much to contemplate, though, being able to make non-constructs into stompybots. That overwhelms everything else. I'm not actually sure being able to turn other models to constructs is actually stronger than being able to make that Peacekeeper's armor unignorable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Warrior Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 I think the main advantage of the Lucius 'when you're ahead on VP' upgrade is it is a great tool to influence your opponent's scheme choice. Its power level will be very pool and opposing crew dependant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Myyrä said: I'm not actually sure being able to turn other models to constructs is actually stronger than being able to make that Peacekeeper's armor unignorable. Oh I am so happy about that I have no words. A guardian with patchwork plating and way more tomes than me solo tanked and dismantled Nellie's peacekeeper. That was just embarrassing. Not seeing that happen will be very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legislat Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 I am really curious about exact wording of Hoff's aura. Is it "cannot ignore armor" or something else? I guess if damage can not be reduced (Hey Levetiicus), armor still sucks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropolous Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 The wording nullifies "cannot be reduced" as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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