Cumulative armor

[hemgath]

Have a small question about cumulative armor possibilities... with our team we don't find anywere a good and clear explain for the possible cumulation of armor...
For exemple if i have 2 pneumatic limb (+1) and heavy armor (+2) have 2 or 3 in armor ?
If i have all part of my body in pneumatic (4 limb, torso and head) have only +1in armor ?
The normal maximum armor is 3 how can i have 3 ? If you have some easy and clear cumulative exemple ?
Maybe we have a translate misunderstanding (we are french) but it's very hard to find the asking or an easy rules (maybe it's esiest in 2nd ed ?)

BR

Hemgath

[Steamtastic Vagabond]

The rustles state that in order to get armour+3 you need 2 sources of armour+1 (such as a pneumatic limb) and 1 source or armour+2.

[hemgath]

Ok, so all diferent source are cumulative.
Magic, Talent, pneumatic limb, armor... With a maximum of 3 (exept for last Augmented level)
Thx

And one more things, for pneumatic limbs... theyre is no possibilites to have a armor +2 (its strange torso don"t give you "heavy"... or not pneumatic augment gave you "heavy"...).
Because actually if i have all parts in pneumatic (4 limb, torso and head) have only +1 armor

[Steamtastic Vagabond]

2 hours ago, hemgath said:

Ok, so all diferent source are cumulative.
Magic, Talent, pneumatic limb, armor... With a maximum of 3 (exept for last Augmented level)
Thx

And one more things, for pneumatic limbs... theyre is no possibilites to have a armor +2 (its strange torso don"t give you "heavy"... or not pneumatic augment gave you "heavy"...).
Because actually if i have all parts in pneumatic (4 limb, torso and head) have only +1 armor

Being fully covered in pneumatics doesn't make the metal any thicker.

[sycorax]

Let's go through the various combos shall we?

 

1 piece of light armour (yes there's a u. I'm british!) gives you armour 1. 

All locations covered in light armour give you armour 1. 

A piece of heavy armour gives you armour 1. 

A pneumatic limb gives armour 1. 

All limbs being pneumatic gives armour 1. 

1 piece of heavy armour + 2 or more bits of light armour gives armour 2. 

1 or more pieces of light armour + 1 or more pneumatics gives armour 2. 

1 piece of light or heavy armour + 1 or more pneumatics gives armour 2. 

1 piece of heavy armour + 2 or more pieces of light armour AND 1 or more pneumatics gives armour 3.

 

Doesn't seem to be any way to get multiple pieces of heavy armour as all of them are chest items

[solkan]

The important thing to note is that pieces of armor/armour stack differently than the Armor ability does.  And pneumatic limbs don't grant Armor +1 or +2 any more (if they used to...), they're just automatically considered to be Light or Heavy Armor/Armour for that body part.

You can't get Armor +3 out of combining Light Amor and Heavy Armor items (pneumatics are just considered Light and Heavy Armor items that you can't easily take off).  In order to get Armor +3 you have to use a different rule that grants the Armor +X ability directly and rely on that to stack with the Armor +X granted from the character's combined Light Armor and Heavy Armor items.

 

[hemgath]

Like for our play team, peoples have many interpretations ^^ so this question make sens

Solkan, your explain are the one we actually use, but why armor is limited to 3 and not 2 ? ^^ and why the Augmented lvl 10 power allow you to raise armor at 4 ?

Sycorax: your explain seem logic and clear but apparently Pneumatic limb are considered light and not diferent part... 

But, when i read the Pneumatic limb board it's not write "light" but "armor +1" a diferent wording than for armour who use "light"
Armor wording exemple: Clockwork Body | Light, Protected (R), Sealed
Pneumatic limb wording exemple: Full Limb | Armor +1, Augment 2


PS:  heavy armor (or +2) does'nt exist on pneumatic limb...

 

[sycorax]

I may have been thinking of the old rules. I will grab my book at the session tonight and double check.

[hemgath]

Sycorax, you have the second ed ? We waiting for our own one but he is "on the way"... maybe received it tomorow or next week...
Maybe they're is some armour change or clear and easy explain ^^

[sycorax]

I do. Once I get to my session later tonight I can get my book from my girlfriend who's bringing it along for me. I'll re read and report back.

[sycorax]

Having re read the section on armour, Solkan is correct. Pneumatics are classified as light or heavy. 

 

So the only ways to get armour 3 would be with some spells or manifested powers

[spooky_squirrel]

8 minutes ago, sycorax said:

So the only ways to get armour 3 would be with some spells or manifested powers

Which is a good power balancing thing, in my opinion and experience. Ubertanks that get there without support tend to skew encounters.

[hemgath]

thx guys for this answers