Poorly handled explosives damage

[teddyclaw]

Hello everyone,

just one small question that I can't seem to answer just by reading the card:

when the condition from Poorly handled explosives ends on a model, dealing the two damage to the model itself and killing it, how much damage does the blast do? Is it 2, because the condition ends or 4 because the model was killed?

Thanks in advance

[Adran]

If the modle is killed before the condiiton ends then it is a 4 damage pulse. If the condiiton ending  kills the model then the condition has already ended and the 4 damage pulse will not kick in. Only the 2 damage pulse will kick in for the condiition ending. 

[santaclaws01]

The text of the condition in question would help to readily answer it so people don't have to go scouring through their books to find out what the text of the rule is.

[teddyclaw]

2 hours ago, santaclaws01 said:

The text of the condition in question would help to readily answer it so people don't have to go scouring through their books to find out what the text of the rule is.

I was not sure if quoting cards was allowed.

The condition basically says, that when it ends (at the end of the turn), the model that has it as well as anyone within a 2" pulse receive 2 points of damage. After that it says that when the model is killed, everyone in a 2" pulse receives 4 damage instead (without being more specific as to what killed the model).

I know, this is not a quote of the card, I am trying to avoid those as long as I don't get confirmation, that Wyrd is OK with those.

[Nikodemus]

People quote exact rules text all the time in here. Wyrd never says a thing about it and it makes answering rules questions a lot easier and faster.

[Ludvig]

Quote away, just don't post pics of entire cards. (I'm nowhere near a guild rep but trust us on this)

[PolishSausage]

The way it reads to me:

End condition do 2dmg to model and 2dmg 2" pulse

stop

If model is killed do 4dmg 2" pulse

 

One or the other, effectively 2 options

 

Otherwise if you read it together it sounds like you would do 2dmg pulse and 2dmg to model, and followed up with 4dmg pulse after (6 total)

IDK tho

[Sol_Sorrowsong]

The card is not in front of me but it specifically states that the damage is 2 or 4 (if killed). never would it be added.  I believe and have used it always as 2 damage unless killed (by explosion or other), and then it is 4 damage.

[santaclaws01]

Based on that wording, the condition is no longer on the model when it dies, because the damage that killed it was caused by the condition ending. So only the 2 damage.

 

And yeah, as long as you don't post full pics of the cards you're good.

[teddyclaw]

Thanks for the confirmation and answers everyone. Just to be be sure, here the conditions text:

 

Quote

When this  Condition  ends,  this  model  and  all  models within 2 suffer 2 damage. If this model is killed, all  models  within  2  suffer  4  damage  instead.

 

The reason I am asking this, is because usually, with the thoroughness Wyrd usually writes their card texts, I would have expected either one of the following in the second sentence:

• If this mode is killed before this condition ends,  all  models  within  2  suffer  4  damage  instead.
• If this mode is killed by this condition or before this condition ends,  all  models  within  2  suffer  4  damage  instead.

Either of those would be clear to me, whereas the original card text leaves both options as a possible interpretation in my opinion. It would have also been clearer, I believe, if if the first sentence instead was:

• After this  Condition  ends,  this  model  and  all  models within 2 suffer 2 damage.

In that case, it would be absolutely clear, that the condition is no longer on the model when the damage happens. Therefore the model is killed, but the second sentence clearly no longer applies.

Am I overthinking this? Or am I missing something from the basic rules, that makes my trail of thought invalid?

 

Thanks again 

[Nikodemus]

"Instead" does it for me. 2 damage happens. Or 4 damage happens instead. One or the other.

[teddyclaw]

39 minutes ago, Nikodemus said:

"Instead" does it for me. 2 damage happens. Or 4 damage happens instead. One or the other.

I am with you on that. But I am still not clear when it is 4. Is it only when the model gets killed by something other than the condition itself or is it also 4 if the condition kills the model?

[santaclaws01]

Gonna reiterate my previous response after seeing the actual text of the condition. If the damage from the condition ending kills a model, it no longer has the condition to pulse out the 4 damage.

[teddyclaw]

Thanks for your answers guys.