Jack, Viktoria and Negation

[Rex4r]

Arcane Emissary use his (0) The Negation on Target Model (TM) and target gains condition "Negated: This model loses all non-Station Characteristic" . 

1) Jack Daw gain to TM upgrade with "This model gains the Tormented Characteristic"
Do the TM have Tormented Characteristic because of Upgrade or not because of Negated?

 

2) Viktoria discard Howling Wolf Tattoo and gain to TM condition "Blood Ties: This model gains the Sister Characteristic"
Do the TM have Sister Characteristic because of Blood Ties or not because of Negated?

[Dogmantra]

They are both non-station characteristics, so they are both lost.

[Rex4r]

37 minutes ago, Dogmantra said:

They are both non-station characteristics, so they are both lost.

The sequence does not matter?

[Franchute]

22 minutes ago, Rex4r said:

The sequence does not matter?

The negation condition is still there once they get the new non-station characteristic, so they should immediately lose the non-station characteristic, I believe.

[Erik1978]

What exactly is included in "non-station characteristics"?

Undead/Living/Construct/Spirit

as well as "Sister/Last-Blossom/Bandit" etc?

How about Peon/Minion etc?

[santaclaws01]

16 minutes ago, Erik1978 said:

What exactly is included in "non-station characteristics"?

Undead/Living/Construct/Spirit

as well as "Sister/Last-Blossom/Bandit" etc?

How about Peon/Minion etc?

Peon, Minion, Enforcer, Henchman and Master are the station characteristics. Everything else is a non-station characteristic.

[Erik1978]

Thanks.