4thstringer Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 So here is the latest thing I want to make work. I want to make Nellie work without using Propaganda or Delegation. I want to make my money with either scathing review or hot off the presses. So my question to you it this- how would you go about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted June 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 I tried this list tonight - 50 SS Guild Crew Nellie Cochrane + 5 Pool - Guild Funds (1) - The Thalarian Stone (1) - Embedded (1) The Printing Press (3) Allison Dade (8) - Transparency (1) Francisco Ortega (8) - Wade In (1) - Hermanos de Armas (1) Guild Austringer (6) Performer (5) Performer (5) Clockwork Trap (2) Clockwork Trap (2) Clockwork Trap (2) Clockwork Trap (2) (exported from CrewFaux) Squatters was in the pool. The list was made to leave my opponent without enough ap to get the job done. It ended up frustrating my opponent so bad that he rage quit. Felt bad. Probably won't do again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 But a ragequit is the only true win? What did you face? The list doesn't look that terrifying on paper (which doesn't mean it isn't good, just curious). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 It's looks like the kind of list that's difficult to beat in Squatter's if you are playing crap. Most of the stuff is pretty easy to kill though, so it isn't impossible to win or anything. It also looks like the list would be significantly better if you actually did use Propaganda to push the enemy models to the traps. You could even replace Franc with Anna Lovelace for some extra face melting annoyance. Would have to drop one Performer, but that doesn't feel like a big downside. You could include an extra Austringer or a Reporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted June 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 My opponent ran a Mei Fang TT list, with Sun Quong, a KT sniper, the emissary, toshiro, the emberling, and a jorogumo. Most or all of those might my misspelled. He summoned 2 komainu in the first two turns, but that played into my jam. I was able to block off sun quong's angle to the markers because of some terrain and a tendency to bunch up. So the traps became a real hassle. The real thing that got to him was Nellie with evidence built up meant I was pushing on misses a lot. I usually don't use guild funds, and will burn all my evidence on propaganda. My opponents never drop markers within Nellie's bubble, and I usually don't use scathing review, so I usually don't have evidence. The boards we often run at our club helped too. There are often choke points. Because of this,pushing a model that just charged and missed the first attack into the choke point can really be problematic. If my opponent had either been 1. more mobile (leap, incorpor, etc) or 2. more beaty I don't think it would have worked. But as it was, I barely had to land any attacks to be successful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Perhaps not the optimal squatters list for your opponent but sounds like solid play from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 I actually got an idea how to make her Scathing Review more effective. You could take Nino and Abuela to get a huge no interact area. That would make removing Humiliation very difficult or at least costly. You can also include Franc for a good measure if you want to. You would obviously need a good spot for Nino for this to work effectively, but it would probably be a pretty decent tactic considering what else it does as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted June 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 I like that. I assume you are making Nellie family at the beginning of the game? OTOH, I almost want people to drop markers near nellie so I can get my evidence on. Late turn activation control, pushes to mess up charge lanes or positioning, or even Guild Fund bonuses, are all really useful. When I run propaganda Nellie, I rarely get to use those, but this is an option that will open those up for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 18 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: I like that. I assume you are making Nellie family at the beginning of the game? OTOH, I almost want people to drop markers near nellie so I can get my evidence on. Late turn activation control, pushes to mess up charge lanes or positioning, or even Guild Fund bonuses, are all really useful. When I run propaganda Nellie, I rarely get to use those, but this is an option that will open those up for me. Nellie would probably be family as well, yes. The list doesn't make that much sense if the enemy doesn't want to be interacting near you for some other reasons as well, and you are probably better off them not interacting at all than having them score points and you getting evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted June 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, Myyrä said: Nellie would probably be family as well, yes. The list doesn't make that much sense if the enemy doesn't want to be interacting near you for some other reasons as well, and you are probably better off them not interacting at all than having them score points and you getting evidence. Search the Ruins has become close to an auto take in my meta in gg2017 (mainly because of the number of dead schemes) so I love the idea of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, 4thstringer said: Search the Ruins has become close to an auto take in my meta in gg2017 (mainly because of the number of dead schemes) so I love the idea of this. There's also accusation, dig their graves and some other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted June 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 People have completely written off accusation in our play group due to the prevalence of pushes available. Dig their graves is often taken, but not against Nellie as often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Lots of crews drop markers with non-interacts these days. Good for evidence but bad for ahutting them doqn with Nino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: People have completely written off accusation in our play group due to the prevalence of pushes available. Dig their graves is often taken, but not against Nellie as often. Yeah, I wouldn't really play it either. Or at least I wouldn't expect scoring more than 1 point from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Can't you accuse if you icite them with Nellie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ludvig said: Can't you accuse if you icite them with Nellie? Problem isn't usually getting the condition on a model. The problem is keeping the condition on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, Myyrä said: Problem isn't usually getting the condition on a model. The problem is keeping the condition on it. Incite forces then to go next (or am Igetting mixed?!) so unless the model itself can push away you have bagged it for the turn? Rinse and repeat if necesaary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Ludvig said: Incite forces then to go next (or am Igetting mixed?!) so unless the model itself can push away you have bagged it for the turn? Rinse and repeat if necesaary. That would pretty much force Nellie to hand out the condition and she doesn't have disengaging strike. You would have to target something that's engaged with another friendly model as well and the opponent could still use an Obey-like effect to remove the condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Sad but true I guess. Condition schemes used to be VP in the bag. Seems like they went to far with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted June 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 We still have tail em as our go to condition scheme (you're welcome Hamelin). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Huh. And here I thought the current spike in killy schemes selected locally was just efficiency of AP. I didn't realize it was a general problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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