Virtus Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Today I had the pleasure of starting out a game by one-shotting Merris with a Freikorps Trapper. I kept an initial hand with one face card and RJ (my only ram), focus shot on the first activation of the game, cheated in the red joker for critical strike trigger, then cheated in the severe for damage. It was cool getting to start a game with that kind of message, but it got me thinking... How many enforcers in the game have 5 or 6 wounds that the Trapper can one-shot, and how many of those have Df 5 or less? Having this kind of understanding can help a lot in making the Spoils of War upgrade playable in a Von Schill crew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurreyLee Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Technically you could get up to 9 Wounds with a ram and a red Joker, however, given that there may be armour and/or Hard to Kill/Wound out there too, it will be interesting to compile this list. I always find one shotting a totem turn 1 is a good investment. It can unsettle the oppo a smidge plus helps swing activation's your way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 I try to always shoot one of a Coryphee duet, with a Trapper, Alyce, anyone who comes to hand really. They're pretty fragile, but annoying, and the duet is annoying and pretty killy. A high ram in hand and the red joker will erase a lot of things, and I Pay Better plus Hamelin's Obey allows a lot of shooty shenanigans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apes-ma Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 1 hour ago, SurreyLee said: Technically you could get up to 9 Wounds with a ram and a red Joker, however, given that there may be armour and/or Hard to Kill/Wound out there too, it will be interesting to compile this list. I always find one shotting a totem turn 1 is a good investment. It can unsettle the oppo a smidge plus helps swing activation's your way. Here is a quick first pass, with armour/hard to wound/hard to kill/incorporeal noted IF I remember that the model has the ability (which means I probably missed a lot of them...) I can edit the post if anyone lets me know abilities I need to add... In short, 60 out of 89 enforcers (I have ignored Ikiryo, Dust Storm and Ashen Core, since they are not always there turn 1 etc. etc.) have 9 or fewer wounds, so can be killed with a red joker + ram on damage, 31 have 7 or fewer wounds, and so can be killed with red joker damage, 18 have 6 or fewer wounds, and so can be killed with severe damage + ram, and 4 have 5 or fewer wounds, requiring severe to kill. 9 WOUND ENFORCERS papa loco santiago ortega - HARD TO KILL? whisky golem - ARMOUR ashes and dust izamu the armor - ARMOUR mr graves - HARD TO KILL, ARMOUR carrion emissary lucky emissary - ARMOUR 8 WOUND ENFORCERS: the lone marshal cojo doppelganger - MANIPULATIVE convict gunslinger friekorps specialist - ARMOUR johan - HARD TO KILL raphael lacroix - ARMOUR witchling handler blessed of december lelu tuco vanessa sue - HARD TO KILL gracie - ARMOUR yin the pengalan - NEGATIVES greed - MANIPULATIVE envy - MANIPULATIVE? ARMOUR pride - MANIPULATIVE lust - MANIPULATIVE shastar vidiya guard 7 WOUND ENFORCERS: pere ravage abuela ortega exorcist coryphee duet - ARMOUR? willie lilitu burt jebsen chiaki the niece - MANIPUALTIVE the lone swordsman nurse heartsbane the forgotten marshal death marshal recruiter sun quiang 6 OR FEWER WOUND ENFORCERS: baby kade - MANIPULATIVE? karina rami lacroix samurai - ARMOUR guard sergeant - ARMOUR jaakuna ubume - MANIPULATIVE, INCORPOREAL angelica iggy friekorps librarian - ARMOUR gremlin taxidermist - ARMOUR merris lacroix mr tanen - MANIPULATIVE hayreddin - ARMOUR? big jake nino ortega hans oxfordian mage - MAGIC ARMOUR bete noire 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurreyLee Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 great work @apes-ma now we just need to find out which have DF 5 or lower..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 At least Burt (df5), Gracie (df5), Cojo (df5) and The Lone Swordsman (df6) all have hard to kill. If you care to make the distinction, Gracie has Armour+2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatlatinspeakingguy Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 @apes-ma: baby kade has manipulative, hayreddin has no defensive abilities at all (beside he has df 7), carrion emissary has hard to kill, lone swordsman is bullet proof +3 and hard to kill, bete noir imposes negative flip to shooting attacks and forgotten marshal has hard to wound as i remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurreyLee Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 So the list of reasonably killable models is lower, but as the original post points out, it's great to know off the bat what is targettable, it can help with set up etc. not asking the question to your oppo of what has what DF, Armour etc means they are less likely to spot your intent and move/act differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apes-ma Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 1 hour ago, SurreyLee said: great work @apes-ma now we just need to find out which have DF 5 or lower..... Oh, of course! I'll sort that out over lunch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurreyLee Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 1 hour ago, apes-ma said: Oh, of course! I'll sort that out over lunch... Ha, only if you get to eat your sandwich too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apes-ma Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 OK! These are just the Df5 and lower ones... 9 WOUNDS: papa loco santiago ortega - HARD TO KILL whisky golem - ARMOUR 1 izamu the armor - ARMOUR 2 mr graves - ARMOUR 1, HARD TO KILL 8 WOUNDS: vanessa friekorps specialist - ARMOUR 1 lelu sue - HARD TO KILL gracie - ARMOUR 2 yin the pengalan - MADE OF GUTS (neg flips) cojo - HARD TO KILL doppelganger - MANIPULATIVE convict gunslinger - BULLETPROOF johan - HARD TO KILL tuco envy - ARMOUR raphael lacroix - ARMOUR? 7 WOUNDS: burt jebsen - HARD TO KILL the forgotten marshal - HARD TO WOUND chiaki the niece - MANIPULATIVE pere ravage - I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVER HEARD OF THIS MODEL 6 OR FEWER WOUNDS: friekorps librarian - ARMOUR 1 mr tanen - MANIPULATIVE guard sergeant - ARMOUR 1 jaakuna ubume - INCORPOREAL big jake karina rami lacroix samurai - ARMOUR 1 gremlin taxidermist - ARMOUR 1 nino ortega oxfordian mage - MAGIC ARMOUR So the list is a LOT smaller! That said, I think it's worth trying to hit a Df6 enforcer if you have a chance to merk it straight away... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadhna Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 All the theorycrafting, and then you start playing with proper terrain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurreyLee Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 9 hours ago, Seadhna said: All the theorycrafting, and then you start playing with proper terrain. True, but, with deploy from the shadows and an unwitting enemy, there is a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtus Posted May 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, SurreyLee said: True, but, with deploy from the shadows and an unwitting enemy, there is a chance. And a built in plus to help against soft cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimzzen Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Shoot the slop hauler, always shoot the slop hauler haha. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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