Kirby Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Hello fellow Outcasts! I have a Henchman Hardcore tournament coming up and am looking for something to play. I usually go with the following: Rusty Alyce - Oathkeeper Librarian Johan Ronin It's certainly a solid crew, but I was thinking about changing it up a bit or even entirely. A pretty basic deviation could be: Hannah - I Pay Better Librarian Johan Trapper Since all four models are Mercenaries, getting a free Focus can be quite handy. Hannah can heal, remove conditions, or get a freebie ranged attack as a (0). Alternatively, could swap out I Pay Better for her personal upgrade and attempt to bury opponents. Losing a model to burial when you only have 4 to start with can be pretty rough, but I'd have to find a point somewhere by downgrading a model. One thought was bringing Viktoria of Blood and trying out some fun there, but it is very risky. Viktoria of Blood - Survivalist and Oathkeeper Student of Conflict (to bounce Vik around and hand out Fast) Johan Sue maybe? Nice for card draw and supporting auras, but he's slow. Another thought is bringing along the Nothing Beast now that it is a henchman! I'm also not sure what to bring to support it. Sue with the anti-Ca aura could be nice, but I worry that he is slow and could get left behind. Nothing Beast - Void Shield Sue Ronin Johan I've also thought about doubling up with Hannah and the Nothing Beast since she enjoys borrowing its extra 3" melee attack. It's just tough limiting myself to 10ss for two models afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadhna Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 I'm extremely tempted to run Aionus as a leader, but that cache of 1 just plain hurts. There's also the denial game to be played: Rusty Alyce merc Sloth+ Creeping Terror Guilty Hodgepodge Effigy or Abomination or swap Sloth for Pride and add Survivalist to Rusty I've had moderate success with a rapidfire crew Mad Dog + Poncho Rusty Alyce Bandido Hodgepodge Effigy Or go full HtK Rusty + Survivalist / Mad Dog + Poncho Sue + maybe Return Fire Johan + maybe Oath Keeper (depending on whether I take Return Fire) Effigy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted March 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Oh! I totally forgot about the Strongarm Suit! Hannah can copy its (0) Charge Up for a damage boost, not to mention it's pretty great at jumping around and tearing things apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Due to the smaller model count of HH Aionus is really good, when you have a six card hand but only 4 models he can really afford to give out fast to things like Johan constantly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skillmatic Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 I've ran recently: Aionus + Survivalist Nothing Beast + Void Shield and Bigger They Are 2x Void Wretches Now I'm thinking of Switching out Ainous for Montressor w/ Survivalist and Fearful Whispers. What do you guys think? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxfaux Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Nix 2x Wookie riders Johan Edit - That's 22ss - oops Nix Wookie Rider Johan Dead outlaw Edited March 10, 2017 by Manxfaux mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davos Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 On 3/7/2017 at 5:48 AM, Kirby said: Oh! I totally forgot about the Strongarm Suit! Hannah can copy its (0) Charge Up for a damage boost, not to mention it's pretty great at jumping around and tearing things apart. Suit (I think) works really well. I'm playing in my first HH tomorrow and am expecting on a Hannah + Suit combo to wreck my opponents. The 0-action sharing also is crazy handing, either for extra damage or for counter Ml damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadhna Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Had moderate success today with Aionus+Survivalist Librarian Sue Effigy They just plain refused to die, especially with all the heals. Aionus kept tanking a Dawn Serpent, Kang and an Oiran whole game. Also had a lucky RJ on healing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaphoricDragn Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Judging from adepticon, Nothing Beast is a must take 3 or 4 of the top 4 all ran him in various combinations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 10 hours ago, MetaphoricDragn said: Judging from adepticon, Nothing Beast is a must take 3 or 4 of the top 4 all ran him in various combinations That's interesting, what did they use to support him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bathysphere Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 My standard is Hannah (Survivalist, I Pay Better) Johan (Oathkeeper) Convict Gunslinger Void Wretch The list has solid damage and durability, with the ability to hand out slow with the Gunslinger triggers and Void Wretch. I Pay Better and 3 mercs amplifies the amount of AP you have, and since Hannah has Arcane Reservoir you have plenty of cards to discard. Johan's Condition removal is extremely relevant when a lot of crews like using Slow and Defensive, and Hannah can copy it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skillmatic Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Montressor w/ Survivalist and Fearful Whispers Nothing Beast + Void Shield and Bigger They Are 2x Void Wretches with this list, I'm just trying to make you expend resources and take over AP control. I Pump out more AP with the two henchmen, take away AP with the Void Wretches, and take away activations with Burying and Paralyzing. Caveat with this list, I was running Montressor as the Henchman. The next tournament i will run Nothing beast and the will swtich 1 SS upgrades. I happened to lose Monty more than I would have liked, and I was playing recklessly with him. So what I would do would do what I could to go first. Walk Monty towards their crew (their crews tended to bunch up) charge their Hench, either pull it in with trigger or if I can make B2B stone for crow the paralyze. Now I'm up on AP. Use fearful Whispers to pull the rest of the crew into B2B. Here's the fun...They have to take the DF duel for B2B, then Terrifying duel if they move out of B2B or target Monty AND discard a card to target Monty. Monty is H2W, ten wounds with about 3 soulstones and terrifying 12. Eats up ALOT of resources. I then use the Void Wretches to score for Turf war and use Hectic Glow slow his other models and if I fail I'll still cheat a lower card I want to dump my hand ASAP and drain opponents resources. Using my superior DF stats to keep the main hitters alive. Then I'll activate the Beast and either Walk, Focus Attack or Charge then attack. This step can come after Monty has activated and depends on the cards still in my hand. With bigger they are my damage spread is 3/6/8 against leaders and most secondary model they take, because MOST lists the Henchman is gonna have an upgrade along with the Enforcer/Henchman in the crew. The only weakness is cast...Namely Stitch Togethers. Not being Living, Ca attack and min 3 damage destroyed this list, But everything thing else I steam rolled. Again next time Nothing Beast will be the Hench because he can negate severes and Red Jokers entirely! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 Skillmatic do you mean Brick by Brick and not Survivalist? I believe your current list is more than 20 stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skillmatic Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 Quote Skillmatic do you mean Brick by Brick and not Survivalist? I believe your current list is more than 20 stones. Yes!! Brick by Brick...I apologize for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 Don't worry there's so many upgrades keeping track of them is tough! Personally i think your list is fantastic, i love Montresor but have not had much success using him in Henchman Hardcore, your list seems to take advantage of his mighty -1 wp aura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apes-ma Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 On 25/04/2017 at 10:05 PM, Skillmatic said: Again next time Nothing Beast will be the Hench because he can negate severes and Red Jokers entirely! Do you mean by ditching Void Shield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skillmatic Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Quote Do you mean by ditching Void Shield? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skillmatic Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Quote Don't worry there's so many upgrades keeping track of them is tough! Personally i think your list is fantastic, i love Montresor but have not had much success using him in Henchman Hardcore, your list seems to take advantage of his mighty -1 wp aura. -1 WP is HUGE! it makes Nothing Beast essentially 8CA, Terrifying 11...Montressor Terrifying 13...its a lowkey game changer. just make sure you tell your opponent about it whenever you need to. I tend to see opponents "forget" about it if you only tell them once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 On 25/04/2017 at 1:36 AM, MetaphoricDragn said: Judging from adepticon, Nothing Beast is a must take 3 or 4 of the top 4 all ran him in various combinations Do you have any idea where to find information on that tournament and its lists? Or even a vague idea of the ways NB was used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skillmatic Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Quote Do you have any idea where to find information on that tournament and its lists? Or even a vague idea of the ways NB was used? As I've noticed, the Malifaux top players have kept close to the vest how they run their lists. Tournament reports on top tables are non existent. I do kind of understand though. Why give up your game dominating secrets? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaphoricDragn Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 55 minutes ago, Nukemouse said: Do you have any idea where to find information on that tournament and its lists? Or even a vague idea of the ways NB was used? I reached out to Sean, but it he doesn't think its up yet. I believe 2nd place had Scion, Nothing Beast, 2x wretches but I dunno who was lead. I can keep reaching out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowopal Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 I will look into the results lists. But I know crew makeup was not being tracked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 I'm not looking for exact lists but just an idea of what he was used with generally and how those players made use of him. What he did during those games is more important than the lists in my opinion. Anyway its just my curiosity, don't work too hard on my account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowopal Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 I didn't judge the events. But the results may be on my laptop. I will get it unpacked Monday and see what is on it. I doubt the models were tracked at all. Probably just player. But I will take a look anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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