NulSec Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Hello, New'ish player here. Looking to see if long-time (or even new) players find Misaki a viable master pick, and if so what dictates her coming out of the case for some action. I am thinking mostly for competitive play. Love to read your observations! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordkitten Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 For me it really depends whether I'm playing her as Ten Thunders or Outcasts, as you end up with very different crews and playstyles. For Ten Thunders, I normally bring her out when I want a highly mobile master who can deal damage. I find Misdirection is a must, especially when Frame for Murder is in the pool, but upgrades can tool her to different styles. I guess the main decision comes down to what I need to achieve. If a high kill-count is required (Dig Their Graves, Quick Murder, Eliminate the Leadership, Collect the Bounty) I find she often edges out the competition. Frame for Murder tends to nudge me more toward Shenlong so I can try and kill with conditions instead, and scheme marker shenanigans might push me more toward Lynch. That said, I don't play all TT masters, so take my words with a pinch of salt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakshman Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 I find her to be a wonderful solution against Resurrectionists and in general summoning masters (she was good at that even before errata/GG17). She can put a lot of pressure right from turn 1 and drain enemy's resources (between the assassinate trigger, Misdirection or Broken Promises and general high cards needed to hit her), making summoning difficult, and she is harder to get rid of then they expect (I usually take her with 3-4 ss in cache, sometimes even 5). She can either try to kill the master or pick off the summons as they appear, and I can imagine you could use downburst now to try and spoil positioning for some opponents. And since the opposing player will usually focus on trying to remove her, the rest of my crew gets some time to get into key positions and start scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokapondora Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 I generally only play her when I go into a game going "I haven't played Misaki in a while". I honestly don't feel she has anything other TT masters don't do better, at least scheme-wise. Lynch or elite crews +Yan/Brew/Shen do killing better. Mei/Yan/Shen do movement shenanigans better. Just about all masters do schemes better. She's loads of fun, but if you're looking at it competitively she falls behind. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Started the game with Shenlong last year. Started playing Misaki early 2017. Honestly, my thoughts after first few games were "Shenlong got ill and put Lone Swordsman in charge". That was mostly playstyle difference/shock. She got better I intend to keep playing just her for the next few months to really get to grips with her, plus she's hella fun to play. Has it felt like an uphill battle playing her compared to Shenlong? No. As a model what she does she does well and I have ~40-45 stones to hire a crew that handles the rest. That's her in a vacuum. Have I felt like she's a strictly more competitive pick than Shenlong in so and so scheme pool? No, not so far. This could very well just be my preferences as a player, or biases given I've played a lot more with Shenlong. But it feels like whatever Misaki does, I could get similar results with Shenlong supporting one or more beaters. That and more, with the versatility he brings. I don't keep track of games but it doesn't feel like what I wrote translates to the table though. Misaki wins and loses roughly as much as my Shenlong did. So I don't know. She needs more games, me thinks. Good thing there's a few upcoming tournaments this spring. At the very least she's a specialised model. I can take any scheme pool with Shenlong and run with it. With Misaki I've had one pool thus far where I felt at a loss with what to do. Could just be my limited experience with her so far. So for me she's competitive enough, but not necessarily the most competitive. Whatever that means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHammer Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 While I'm of the opinion that GG17 limits her usefulness to a few strat/scheme pools to score points, she's still a fantastic denial piece, and with her changes she's likely to see more play for me this year than last. I see enforcers being more popular, and they die much easier than soulstone users do to her Bisento. She suffers from Frame For Murder being in the scheme pools more often now, but it's actually not too difficult to simply set up kills with her for other models to finish them off. Don't get too trigger happy with Assassinate when that scheme might be revealed and use her to deny key areas in games where this can score points and she'll do a very good job indeed, IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somnicide Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I just got her and am more excited to play her than previously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 I started painting her crew this evening 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 45 minutes ago, Joel said: I started painting her crew this evening You had enough Zipp-zapping for a while?^^ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somnicide Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 As an addendum, I got in my first game with her last week and loved it. She's definitely going to be seeing more table time for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 7 hours ago, Tris said: You had enough Zipp-zapping for a while?^^ Nope, just ready to paint a new crew - and I have certain plans for the 11 models in this one (not in 50ss, that includes swaps) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somnicide Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Ronin, Yamaziko and disguise so nothing can be charged? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Not for me, unless I can find good proxies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 Have misaki her first run out today - close deployment headhunter - I picked claim jump and hunting party vs McCabe guild. my crew was: misaki (disguise, recalled, wings of wind) genbu!! (recalled) shadow emissary (conflux of thunder) shadow effigy lone swordsman (recalled) 2 ten thunders brothers won 10-2 a fast izamu getting pushed into position is just wrong! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 On 3/11/2017 at 3:59 PM, Joel said: Have misaki her first run out today - close deployment headhunter - I picked claim jump and hunting party vs McCabe guild. my crew was: misaki (disguise, recalled, wings of wind) genbu!! (recalled) shadow emissary (conflux of thunder) shadow effigy lone swordsman (recalled) 2 ten thunders brothers won 10-2 a fast izamu getting pushed into position is just wrong! If you think that's bad, run a McCabe crew and give him Nimble and Reactivate as well. No one expects an Izamu cruise missile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadaverousbirth Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 McCabe can't give Izamu reactivate because he's an Enforcer, but Nimble yes. Fast+Nimble should be enough to get him where he needs to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 In McCabe, it's fast, nimble and 2-4 4" pushes too due to upgrade swaps and emissary buff. 5ap izamu is quite enough indeed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 On 2017-03-11 at 9:59 PM, Joel said: Have misaki her first run out today - close deployment headhunter - I picked claim jump and hunting party vs McCabe guild. my crew was: misaki (disguise, recalled, wings of wind) genbu!! (recalled) shadow emissary (conflux of thunder) shadow effigy lone swordsman (recalled) 2 ten thunders brothers won 10-2 a fast izamu getting pushed into position is just wrong! Do you think Izamu would have work just as well in say standard or corner deployment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Yes. I'd have done things differently, but with all the pushing and extra ap you can hand out deployment type isn't really a factor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfly Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I love Misaki! But she is my first master so there's a soft spot there. She has a very direct play style and it's easy to over extend yourself with her but she is also a lot of fun to play. Don't run her too far from support unless you are absolutely certain you can achieve that kill or Crucial VP. Shang can be super useful at keeping her alive but there are other things that can do that as well. I think a key thing when you're getting used to Misaki is knowing that, like a new car, you want to race her forward and get those kills. Accept that you're going to do that. Accept that she is going to die. Just design your list so you can still be successful after she does hahaha. I am also quite happy with how her whole box works together and have run the box straight multiple times. Now all that being said, I have not had a chance to play any GG2017 yet so I am not sure how she has changed this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Funny. I played her in a small three round tournament today and she took a total of maybe 4 wounds over all those games? And while that's surprisingly low amount of wounds, it's not all that often she dies when I play her. Df6/Wp7/Wd12 with Misdirection goes a long way when you can freely pick your targets and pack a healer or two just in case. Although I do agree that sometimes you just ram her forward on impulse. I've been playing her exclusively for almost three months straight and still I ended up recalled training-kill McMourning at the start of round 2. ...And after I cooled off of my blood frenzy I remembered I had picked Set Up against the late doctor. Still managed a close win but I didn't do myself any favours there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gennosuke Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 On 25/3/2017 at 6:45 PM, Dragonfly said: Accept that she is going to die. Misaki never dies. She just retires to her palace in The Little Kingdom to calmly have some tea when she feels the situation in the battlefield is under control enough to leave it to her minions, knowing her faithful troops would end any pending matter without needing for her help. "My work here is done, now I have to go back to the headquarters to attend more pressing matters. I'm sure you all can handle the situation by yourselves. Please report to me when finished.". Of course the enemy propaganda often intentionaly misinterprets her disappearances from the battlefield as if she had fallen under their attacks. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfly Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 12 minutes ago, Gennosuke said: Misaki never dies. She just retires to her palace in The Little Kingdom to calmly have some tea when she feels the situation in the battlefield is under control enough to leave it to her minions, knowing her faithful troops would end any pending matter without needing for her help. "My work here is done, now I have to go back to the headquarters to attend more pressing matters. I'm sure you all can handle the situation by yourselves. Please report to me when finished.". Of course the enemy propaganda often intentionaly misinterprets her disappearances from the battlefield as if she had fallen under their attacks. Truth^^^ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katadder Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 I like her, shes a big distraction for the enemy as you can just throw her in and let the rest of your crew do their thing whilst the enemy worries about a leader in their midst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 12 hours ago, katadder said: I like her, shes a big distraction for the enemy as you can just throw her in and let the rest of your crew do their thing whilst the enemy worries about a leader in their midst I've played against a few crews lately that almost solely target df and when Misdirection Misaki manages to tie up third of them it's just horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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