Tris Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 What are your experiences with Shenlongs "Flow like water" ability? Do you get a lot of use out of it (taking no damage from self inflicted poison/burning aside)? Sometimes it just feels outright wrong to ignore the damage from all conditions, like the Ashigarus "Braced for the Charge" or the Strongarm Suits "Polarized Shielding", what`s your opinion on this - intended or overlooked?^^ Also, recalled training is such a strong upgrade - on everything is all fine and dandy, but phew, the plus on damage and the defensive until end of turn seems almost like overkill -> I´ll take that instead of fast all the time (as there are quite some ways to get fast anyways ) Plus the possibilities with Terracotta Warriors seem endless Opinions on that? Wouldn`t be surprised if TT get hit in one of the next erratas, but until then they seem on the stronger side of things this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yriel Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Sorry. I'm wrong Edited February 8, 2017 by Yriel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Holy rules lawyer! I never read Shenlong's ability like that. Recalled Training is strong alright. I don't think it's too strong, but I'd still get it if it cost 2ss. At least it's discarded and offers no benefit if the user dies, unlike quite a few other upgrades. Far as models go Brothers are somewhat bonkers for 5ss. And I keep being amazed at how both Katanaka Snipers and Thunder Archers occupy the same 7ss slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomjoad Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 The fact that we're sitting here discussing the potential cuddling of these totally-not-overpowered models/abilities/upgrades is, like, 40% of why I hated the idea of the errata from the word go. None of these need a change and it would be a bad sign if any of them got one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsun Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Yeah I agree nothing here is busted. 10t is just now being brought in line with the other top factions with wave 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted February 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, newsun said: Yeah I agree nothing here is busted. 10t is just now being brought in line with the other top factions with wave 4. Didn't say that anything was busted, I'm just not sure if Shenlongs ability was intended that way Was maybe thought to prevent all damage from conditions on him, but if the condition is on an other model - that doesn't seem like it was planned And yeah, TT were definitively brought up with the Emissary, Terracottas, Asami, Yasunori - I like that, new things to think about and more diversity at tournaments, don't get me wrong^^ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomjoad Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Was anybody here playing when they did the Crossroads open beta? I didn't start the game until a few months after it closed. It seems like the kind of thing that somebody would have noticed in the beta and that Justin decided it was a narrow enough issue that it wasn't worth adding words to the ability. Just a guess on that, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted February 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 minute ago, tomjoad said: Was anybody here playing when they did the Crossroads open beta? I didn't start the game until a few months after it closed. It seems like the kind of thing that somebody would have noticed in the beta and that Justin decided it was a narrow enough issue that it wasn't worth adding words to the ability. Just a guess on that, though. Jup, have been playing since first edition and took part in the beta, but to be honest not on the Thunders side back then^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Definitechoice Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 It's mostly a corner case issue, and I don't think I've ever had it come up in a game. It has been discussed before because of some odd interactions... There should be a thread or two in the rules forum about how it interacts with Vasilisa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Well, I wrote Shenlong and am quite fine with how he works 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 51 minutes ago, Aaron said: Well, I wrote Shenlong and am quite fine with how he works Well, that settles that I would say Just have to deal with the energy-shield and braced-spear ignoring super kung fu master then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 There is weird stuff in a minis game this complex. I'd rather a cleanly worded rule like he's got that leads to a couple of oddball situations than a complexly worded rule that makes more sense. At least in this case :-P 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadaverousbirth Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I would hope The Dragon could avoid a stick pointed by an old lady. Also he's immune to energy fields~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 15 hours ago, Cadaverousbirth said: I would hope The Dragon could avoid a stick pointed by an old lady. Also he's immune to energy fields~~~ If we start going that way, there are actually many masters who should be able to to that @Aaron thank you for the explanation, I don´t think it would be a complicated piece of text in this special case (can`t take damage from conditions on this model / him) but I get what you`re meaning, it`s probably a corner case and most certainly not a pressing matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 9 hours ago, tomjoad said: Was anybody here playing when they did the Crossroads open beta? I didn't start the game until a few months after it closed. It seems like the kind of thing that somebody would have noticed in the beta and that Justin decided it was a narrow enough issue that it wasn't worth adding words to the ability. Just a guess on that, though. I was playing. I got the impression that thunders weren't very popular back then and that most of the focus was on the masters that already had models so I'm not sure to what extent Shenlong was tested. Seems like a really minor thing to me. I'm more miffed about recalled training being bananas and available to masters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsun Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Recalled is potentially strong, not always. Other factions have similarly strong upgrades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 On 2017-02-09 at 5:30 PM, newsun said: Recalled is potentially strong, not always. Other factions have similarly strong upgrades. Compare its damage potential to debt to the guild and explain why recalled training is allowed on masters but debt isn't. You could also compare it to soulstone bullet which is basically the guild equivalent and only affects one shot (so not even all the masters primary attacks). Shenlong with this and his blast upgrade can lead to pretty sick amounts of extra damage compared to debt or SSB. Combine that with the + to df/wp for the rest of the turn and I'd say it breaks the mold for most 1ss upgrades. I guess it's mostly the fact that it's available to masters that seems so off to me, possibly that it affects damage flips. Compared to imbued energy which grants one ap it grants the equivalent of four ap and a card (three focus and defensive) and an effect that's very hard to achieve (+to wp) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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