Crutch Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 I am brand new to Mailifaux and have acquired the Lucious boxed set. I am curious how he can play as a Neverborn Master (crew lists). Also; Is there any fluff or backstory on Lucious' past and current activity with the Neverborn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 You will get better list advice in the neverborn section. Very little is known about his interactions with neverborn apart from Titania coming to see him. He likesgood minions, neverborb has a lot of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crutch Posted January 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 Can you tell me where I can read about Titania coming to see Lucious? What sourcebook or story? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadhna Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 It's in the Ripples of Fate book (the one with Titania on the cover) apparently, Lucius has constant contacts with Lilith and Dora as well (it's hinted at in the vignettes) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crutch Posted January 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 Awesome! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durza Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Ludvig said: He likesgood minions, neverborb has a lot of those. I am never calling them neverborn again, neverborb is a much better name. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crutch Posted January 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 One more question: Can Lucious MIX Guild and Neverborn models in his crew or does he have to serve as the Master of an ALL Guild or an ALL Neverborn crew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solkan Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, Crutch said: One more question: Can Lucious MIX Guild and Neverborn models in his crew or does he have to serve as the Master of an ALL Guild or an ALL Neverborn crew? Important points: There exist models that are both Guild and Neverborn The Surprisingly Loyal upgrade allows Lucius to bring up to four Guardsman or Mimic models that are not the crew's declared faction. Up to two Mercenary models can be hired Otherwise, all of the models have to have the crew's declared Faction. A dual faction master doesn't mean you get to include everything from both factions without restrictions. So it's going to be common to see a Guild crew led by Lucius with some Neverborn models in it; and it's going to be common to see a Neverborn crew led by Lucius with some Guild models in it. And it's not going to be surprising if a few Terracotta Warriors are present (Ten Thunders Mimic models). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masquer Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 50 minutes ago, solkan said: And it's not going to be surprising if a few Terracotta Warriors are present (Ten Thunders Mimic models). Because they're so good! I don't think I'd take more than one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 There aren't many mimic models from nb is bring into guild. Doppel and changeling are my 2 most common. Tannen graves and beckoners all make very specialized lists. I didn't even bother trying to get candy, I don't feel like she fits very well into guild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crutch Posted January 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 Thanks to all for answering my questions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crutch Posted January 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 hour ago, solkan said: Important points: There exist models that are both Guild and Neverborn The Surprisingly Loyal upgrade allows Lucius to bring up to four Guardsman or Mimic models that are not the crew's declared faction. Up to two Mercenary models can be hired Otherwise, all of the models have to have the crew's declared Faction. A dual faction master doesn't mean you get to include everything from both factions without restrictions. So it's going to be common to see a Guild crew led by Lucius with some Neverborn models in it; and it's going to be common to see a Neverborn crew led by Lucius with some Guild models in it. And it's not going to be surprising if a few Terracotta Warriors are present (Ten Thunders Mimic models). So...is it rules legal to choose Lucious as the Faction Leader of a Neverborn Crew and just use ALL Neverborn figures in this Neverborn Faction Crew with Lucious as the Master? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durza Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 That's perfectly fine, out of faction hires aren't mandatory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solkan Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, Crutch said: So...is it rules legal to choose Lucious as the Faction Leader of a Neverborn Crew and just use ALL Neverborn figures in this Neverborn Faction Crew with Lucious as the Master? That's the simple case--declare Faction X and then just take a leader and the rest of your models from Faction X. Lucius can lead a Neverborn crew because he has the Crew's declared faction marked on his card. The fact that he has another faction also marked on there doesn't matter for that. I just posted the other stuff because the cases where can take multiple factions in the crew is where it gets complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crutch Posted January 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, solkan said: Thanks again! I will post to Neverborn Faction Topics if I continue questions about Lucious as a Neverborn Crew master Edited January 29, 2017 by Crutch double post by mistake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 14 hours ago, 4thstringer said: There aren't many mimic models from nb is bring into guild. Doppel and changeling are my 2 most common. Tannen graves and beckoners all make very specialized lists. I didn't even bother trying to get candy, I don't feel like she fits very well into guild. I think Graves is more with Doppel than with tannen and beckoners. He`s quite resilent for his cost. The 6" push is very good, especially if done with Commanding Presence. I like the idea of El Mayored Tannen with Chatty from Commanding Presence and Manipulative 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I usually end up using that push to make a gimmick list work more than anything, but especially in gg2017 you might be right. I need to look at the cards to figure out if his push and follow up would allow changelings to use his min 3 attack, or if the self push happens after the attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPangolin Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 On 1/29/2017 at 10:59 PM, trikk said: I think Graves is more with Doppel than with tannen and beckoners. He`s quite resilent for his cost. The 6" push is very good, especially if done with Commanding Presence. I like the idea of El Mayored Tannen with Chatty from Commanding Presence and Manipulative 13 Tannen's Chatty is a (1) action, so he's not getting Manipulative too unless you have Graves around Cooler is amazing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 You can use it with Commanding Presence, so he's chatty and manipulative til he activates at the end of the turn 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorschlag Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, ArcticPangolin said: Tannen's Chatty is a (1) action. Which is an important consideration if you'll be taking a doppelganger. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corn Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 Also Lucius in both Guild and Neverborn can take advantage of pairing Tannen with Pathfinders and Clockwork Traps (by summoning in Neverborn). Their slow aura is a lot scarier when the enemy has to discard a card to cheat the TN 13 walk duel. In Neverborn you can throw Barbaros into the mix as well, challenging and pushing enemies back into range of the clockwork traps. TN 13 Walk Duels, followed by TN 14 Wp challenge on top of Manipulative is fun with cooler in play, right? RIGHT? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPangolin Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/2/2017 at 7:00 PM, trikk said: You can use it with Commanding Presence, so he's chatty and manipulative til he activates at the end of the turn Oh. I should learn to read more good That's a great spot. On 2/3/2017 at 0:01 AM, Corn said: TN 13 Walk Duels, followed by TN 14 Wp challenge on top of Manipulative is fun with cooler in play, right? RIGHT? I sure as heckfire love stacking duels with Brewmaster and Tannen, so yes Flurry? Drinking Contest. 1st attack? Drinking Contest & Manipulative. Repeat 2 more times, all in Cooler range. Getting more discards will be gravy. Executioner's Bloody Exhibition, Nino's Headshot, Austringers' Distract... what else do we have for discards in Guild? And what have Neverborn got? Pride's once-per-turn can but he's sort-of balls otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorschlag Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 alps -feed on dreams insidious madness -the madness spreads -then requirs wp attackers which then leads to iggy and widow weaver or Aeslin and an autumn knight and a whisp. waldgiest or depleted for tar pitting. changelings copy catting actions from trapped models emmisary ruining peoples days with hungry land markers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Neverborn have stitched as well as Lucius being able to bring austringers with him. Should be fun. Not sure what else they have fpr discards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadaverousbirth Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Thralls, Austringers and the Emissary copying a buried Austringer's bird can drain a hand in a couple activations if you're good on masks and the opponent has WP6 models, oh which the Thralls can make them be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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