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Markers with height on uneven terrain


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Here is the scenario;

Rasputina creates ice walls on terrain that is uneven (say a hill). One of the markers is on the hill, the other is flat but they touch bases. \ _

Each have a height of 5 and are impassible and block LOS.  A model of Ht 2 is behind the slanted marker.  This model is not on the hill and is perpendicular to the table (not parallel to the slanted marker).  No LOS can be drawn between the bases of the target (behind the marker) and the shooter.  The top of the Ht 2 model is visible if the Ht of the slanted marker extends at the slant but not if it extends perpendicular to the table.

Does the height extend perpendicular to the base or to the horizontal of the ground?  

Could you draw LOS to that model if it's base is behind the slanted marker and the height of the marker extends perpendicular to the base (so the height is also slanted)?

If the height is perpendicular to the table it would completely hide the model.  If the height is slanted (perpendicular to the marker) then the top of the Ht 2 model is "visible" because the Ht 5 marker is extending at a slant. 

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The answer is 'None of the above, a marker with Ht doesn't extend anywhere.  Ht is just an abstract property on it, used when drawing line of sight across its base.'

The way you've framed it, no, the Ht is not slanted.  Whether the marker is flat on the table or at an angle, Blocking works the same way: compare Ht values if you're trying to draw line of sight across the base.

 

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You have to consider that the bases of models as the markers are not intended to be in a different position but parallel to the terrain.

So, even if the terrain is shaped in a way that the marker/model is phisically inclined and in an unconventional position, you have always consider that it is really flat and parallel to the ground. Someone uses proxy bases or some dices to let the markes/models stay in the right position. However, even if you don't use it, the important is that you are aware about how the base is oriented in the space. Models that climb a wall don't do so putting the base in vertical... ;)^_^

 

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1 hour ago, hofzinser said:

Interesting. So the marker on the hill would actually be "under" the hill and extend up perpendicular to the table. 

The actual scenario from the game had the marker placed half on a 1" blocking terrain and half on the table (thus was slanted). I looked through the rules and FAQ and couldn't find if this was "legal" or not. Assuming it was we should of placed the marker under the terrain flat on the table, right?

You don't want to try saying that the marker is "under" the terrain, either.  You should notice the part in the rules stating that if terrain is created on top of a marker, the marker is moved to be on top of the terrain.  Markers essentially float on top of terrain, but underneath models, if you have a bunch of stuff stacked in the same place on the table.

Using non-vantage point line of sight, if you put a Ht 5 marker at a 45-degree angle on the side of a hill, it's still only going to be Blocking for lines of sight drawn across its base from the top-down perspective.  But it's going to oval shaped when viewed from that top-down perspective, so there's going to be a direction where it's easier to drawn line of sight around it.

 

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Interesting. So the marker on the hill would actually be "under" the hill and extend up perpendicular to the table. 

The actual scenario from the game had the marker placed half on a 1" blocking terrain and half on the table (thus was slanted). I looked through the rules and FAQ and couldn't find if this was "legal" or not. Assuming it was we should of placed the marker under the terrain flat on the table, right?

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1 hour ago, solkan said:

The way you've framed it, no, the Ht is not slanted.  Whether the marker is flat on the table or at an angle, Blocking works the same way: compare Ht values if you're trying to draw line of sight across the base.

 

Gotcha. To restate:

If there are no line of sight lines to be made between the models because of the marker base and neither model is ht 6 - no LOS. Right?

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