Dirial Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Is it really a to both attack and damage? I thought it was similar to Justice with dmg only? That's her standard blade. With the upgrade it's what Oreaper said. (But don't compare them. Justice's does hurt so much more, but is way trickier to apply. Crit Strike is the kicker!) I think the key to Lilith might be to make use of her flexibility. If you buy a certain combination of upgrades and models, you may fall into the trap of trying to make it work at all costs. Just remember: Swiss army knife! Just because it has a corkscrew doesn't mean you have to find a wine bottle. Use the flexibility instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Oh. Well that's pretty bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asrian Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Living Blade gives you: 3" reach, to Attack & Damage, and pounce Basic attack is: 2" reach, and to Damage Both of these only gain the if Lilith did NOT charge. Also, as an aside, on the Colette game where I pustuled them, it was Barbaros in base contact, pustuled with Doppelganger 3 times, then when I did the Shaman I had saved for the trigger to heal him 3 health per Pustule (so 1 damage taken from pustule to do 2 to everyone else, then he heals 3). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asrian Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 I think the key to Lilith might be to make use of her flexibility. If you buy a certain combination of upgrades and models, you may fall into the trap of trying to make it work at all costs. Just remember: Swiss army knife! Just because it has a corkscrew doesn't mean you have to find a wine bottle. Use the flexibility instead. This. Just because you have all the tools doesn't mean you have to use them every activation. The trick is finding the best tool(s) for the job at hand, even if that's something as simple as running away. I had Entourage once vs a Tara crew. Last activation for Lilith in that game, while I was in combat with Karina, I simply Tangled to my own guy toward the enemy half of the table, out of combat, and made a walk action to complete my objective. It wasn't fancy, but it did the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Lilith is pretty hype. I've been using her for a Slow Grow League and to be honest I might have to break up with my Fiancee so I can marry Lilith! I'm in love with her play style, It's like a cross between Misaki and Justice. A Hybrid of Guerilla Warfare and straight up face smashing. To top it all of I read somewhere on these forums Lilith can use Tangle Shadows to re-locate herself with the place effect which has come in very handy indeed! I've yet to find a reason to use it to relocate my own models other than Lilith but that will no doubt come up as I progress through my league. It's single handed won me games and it probably one of the best actions Lilith has. I'm still experimenting with different abilities and actions with each game but she is incredibly versatile and flexible although somewhat unforgiving if you don't use her as she is intended to be used. I find myself playing fairly cagey with her to begin with in each game but towards the end I go all out aggression because by turns 2-3 I've isolated and picked off the key threats from the enemy crew and can work her magic on the rest of them. I've been playing with Nephilim exclusively so far and plan to expand on that later but the theme crew are really cool with her. Lots of Black Blood antics to abuse! Also... Lilith is pretty hawt so that's reason enough to take her right?.... RIGHT?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PositronMike Posted February 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 This. Just because you have all the tools doesn't mean you have to use them every activation. The trick is finding the best tool(s) for the job at hand, even if that's something as simple as running away. I had Entourage once vs a Tara crew. Last activation for Lilith in that game, while I was in combat with Karina, I simply Tangled to my own guy toward the enemy half of the table, out of combat, and made a walk action to complete my objective. It wasn't fancy, but it did the job. How does tangle move Lilith? I thought the wording would stop that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 How does tangle move Lilith? I thought the wording would stop that happening. http://wyrd-games.net/community/topic/102022-tangle-of-shadows-clarification/?hl=%2Btangle+%2Bshadows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asrian Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Tangle is "Select a Friendly model within 6" A model can be friendly to itself. As long as it doesn't specify "select other friendly model" or is a then you can target yourself with "friendly" spells and . Also, Tangle is an attack action, so can be used to target your own friendly models with it and use them to hopscotch up models within 6" of Lilith, or herself, up to them, not just up to enemy models. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Yeah. It's one of the most awesome actions in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 My biggest tip; don't forget to use Wicked Vines. It can be as good as a paralyse. The fact that you don't LoS to cast it is even better. The 16" range on Illusionary Forest is pretty darn good too. Especially in order to keep Lilith safe from enemy charges and shooting, but it can also disrupt enemies' LoS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 My biggest tip; don't forget to use Wicked Vines. It can be as good as a paralyse. The fact that you don't LoS to cast it is even better. The 16" range on Illusionary Forest is pretty darn good too. Especially in order to keep Lilith safe from enemy charges and shooting, but it can also disrupt enemies' LoS. Agreed, after Lady J charged Lilith (and failed miserably) I hit her with Wicked Vines then Tangled Shadows myself with a friendly model to escape meaning LJ couldn't come after me. T'was glorious watching the realization of what I had done hit home when my opponent read the cards rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Agreed, after Lady J charged Lilith (and failed miserably) I hit her with Wicked Vines then Tangled Shadows myself with a friendly model to escape meaning LJ couldn't come after me. T'was glorious watching the realization of what I had done hit home when my opponent read the cards rules. Haha, that is fantastic! The more I play Lilith, I am getting more convinced that Wicked Vines are one of the best ways of spending her AP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Haha, that is fantastic! The more I play Lilith, I am getting more convinced that Wicked Vines are one of the best ways of spending her AP. It is when you have a pissed off Lady J 8" away from you who REALLY wants to charge you again but can't even remove the Rooted condition from herself as her Restore Natural Order action is a I've recently started using it and it's golden for pinning down key models when the enemy is foolish enough to overlook condition removal. Got problems with Izamu? Rooted! Is Langston ruining your day? Rooted! Can't stop Lady Justice murdering everything? ROOTED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Got problems with Izamu? Expunged! Is Langston ruining your day? Expunged! Can't stop Lady Justice murdering everything? EXPUNGED! Rezzer'd it up for ya. Boom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Rezzer'd it up for ya. Boom. ........ Get out! *points to door* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 ........ Get out! *points to door* Yeah? Well my work is done here anyway! So.. Face! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asrian Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Children! Don't make me call Momma Dirial in here to scold you two. Now play nice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nical Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I've recently started using it and it's golden for pinning down key models when the enemy is foolish enough to overlook condition removal. But I think It is matter of Local Meta. And in my opinion, If someone overlooks condition removal in malifaux, it means he/she needs to learn more things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Children! Don't make me call Momma Dirial in here to scold you two. Now play nice. I have been summoned? Although the change from Father to Momma is kind of awkward... Is it that Mei Feng thing? Then I won't scold, but Scalding Breath! Also, does this jumpsuit make may ass look big? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Although the change from Father to Momma is kind of awkward... Is it that Mei Feng thing? You know it Dirialina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I have been summoned? Yup... I dropped the RJ from my hand... you are under my control now! Now for your first action... Walk. Your 2nd action... Pinebox zFiend! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PositronMike Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Rezzer'd it up for ya. Boom. Actually Zoraida can do this as well so you didn't rezzer it up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asrian Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Actually Zoraida can do this as well so you didn't rezzer it up In his defense, and this is coming from a stalwart Neverborn player, Zoraida does already look like a desiccated husk anyway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Actually Zoraida can do this as well so you didn't rezzer it up It's not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 In his defense, and this is coming from a stalwart Neverborn player, Zoraida does already look like a desiccated husk anyway. Hahahahaaha. So in a way.. It is the same. I was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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