rancor709 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I would personally prefer something like pmf to be on company webspace. As it allows for greater use of already existing art and graphics. Allows for a more central community hub off the main website. And gives greater endorsement to the work the community has already done on pmf. New players are likely to find the forums before they are the current pmf. Having it integrated into a site already likely to draw new players is a win for both sides. Make no mistake the content should be fan generated but the content should also be easy to find. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malistrad Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Can we revitalize the discussion of also including a fluff-centric section as found here while in the process of this (in my opinion) upgrade? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 If Wyrd were to host PMF, what would be the terms & conditions of content ownership for fan-submitted material? This is a good question. I imagine it would be similar to the "Iron Quill" competition regarding who owns it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Kackley Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 As a new player i would be lost without PMF. This just makes me love Wyrd and Malifaux that much more. Thanks Wyrd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Barnhill Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Not many Game companies would step up and offer to help out with hosting on a fan made wiki, I think its Awesome that Wyrd is stepping up and offering to help and still keeping it fan based and driven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Support the idea of moving it over fully. Question: Should we change the name? IMO I'm not sure 'Pull my finger' really captures the point / essence of the wiki. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaphoricDragn Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Support the idea of moving it over fully. Question: Should we change the name? IMO I'm not sure 'Pull my finger' really captures the point / essence of the wiki. While I agree with you, i think it would need to be tagged Pull My Finger somehow to help people google searching the old wiki name in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think any concern over Wyrd scuttling this endeavor is totally unfounded. I can understand being burned in the past and totally empathize....but Wyrd has proven time and again to be very fan-friendly. Look at Vassal......a program that could easily be seen as direct competition to a company that sells miniatures.....fully supported by Wyrd...and even improved upon by Wyrd. I don't see a downside to this move. I think it's fantastic. Though I agree with Guy in Suit.........I think we should be able to log in with our Wyrd accounts. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 This is a good question. I imagine it would be similar to the "Iron Quill" competition regarding who owns it. Sooo.... No one will really have a clue, or care, who owns something they post up because it's being done for the enjoyment? Regarding the log in thing, I think the reason for separate logins is to make it very clear that it's not the forum, the mod team is different, and so on. Which seems kind of wise to me, as it gives a very definite 'this content is not wyrd controlled' ethos to it that being inside the forum logins would really have. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteAccount Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm all for it. So yeah, why isn't it done yet? God knows the Malifaux site is barren, this could give it some much needed content. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paradoxstorm Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I understand, and agree, with all of the concerns expressed. That said, I still think Wyrd providing the webspace is the best solution. I started a laundry list of all the potential problems that could arise if the wiki is kept in private hands and they represent every bit as much, and sometimes more, risk as having Wyrd provide the space under the general terms outlined. I applaud everyone who is identifying potential problems because that helps Wyrd minimize the problems setting up the wiki on their space. I can see already that they will have to take steps to make sure that the fan based nature of the site is not only a fact, but a visible fact. For those who are concerned that Wyrd may shut down the wiki without notice, I would strongly urge the acquisition of software that allows you to copy an entire website and take a monthly snapshot. That provides a safeguard against sudden loss. So, Wyrd, I appreciate your offer and I encourage you, if you haven't already, to get working with the PFM wiki owners on restarting the wiki on Wyrd territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asyouwish78 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 So Aaron.. just so I'm clear. It's been paid for so we have another year of it until Wyrd gets it up and running on here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 That's my understanding. Also, we gave Hateful a little something something for making sure we had the time to handle this. It's looking like things are pretty positive overall, so we'll work on getting something set up and then have people take a look at it and take it from there. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Sooo.... No one will really have a clue, or care, who owns something they post up because it's being done for the enjoyment? Regarding the log in thing, I think the reason for separate logins is to make it very clear that it's not the forum, the mod team is different, and so on. Which seems kind of wise to me, as it gives a very definite 'this content is not wyrd controlled' ethos to it that being inside the forum logins would really have. Thats what I was implying As far as login, I totally agree keep it tied to Wyrd login, another login would be NO FUN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy in Suit Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Dealing with the inconvenience of a separate user name to appease the tin foil hat crowd feels very inefficient to me. I'd rather a company with a vested interest in promoting a quality and genuine experience to its fans have the keys to the henhouse rather than some random person who could blow it up just to appease a fragile ego. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rythos42 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I would bet the "separate login" thing is mainly for technical reasons. Also -- woot woot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteAccount Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I would bet the "separate login" thing is mainly for technical reasons. Also -- woot woot! Pretty much this If they are using a separate engine or product to create the Wiki section of the Wyrd domain, having all of that share the same membership, though probably doable, would probably be more of a hassle that it would be worth. Specially since at the end of the day only a few people actually bother going into a wiki and editing content. If it could all be done with the same login session, I'd be all for it, but don't really consider it important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Doesn't strike me as technically difficult, though obviously I have no idea how the Wyrd site works on the back end. It seems more like a measure to establish a conceptual separation of authority, to give a sense of control to the community. (I don't think it's necessary, personally - some people with high-level control over PMF are already moderators here anyway. I'd rather see a unified login system.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osoi Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 All for the move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarSol Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Doesn't strike me as technically difficult, though obviously I have no idea how the Wyrd site works on the back end. It seems more like a measure to establish a conceptual separation of authority, to give a sense of control to the community. (I don't think it's necessary, personally - some people with high-level control over PMF are already moderators here anyway. I'd rather see a unified login system.) It's not at all technically difficult; it might, however, create some security concerns depending how different the tech is and how they'd have to pass credentials from one system to another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Question: Should we change the name? IMO I'm not sure 'Pull my finger' really captures the point / essence of the wiki. "The Wiki formerly known as Pull my finger" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetorDragoon Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Well, I would like it if the logins would be the same as on the Wyrd site. (Less logins = less creativity with passwords) but this highly depends on how the database is created for the Wyrd website. If the PMF copy requires certain admin rights or certain moderator rights that aren't tied to the normal website, different groups have to be created and accounts would have to be pushed into it. As there are many current Wyrd accounts, this is a pain and much work on the backend. Never to say that if it goes wrong, people can't login and it will be hard to recover it. (Maxim 41: "Do you have a Backup?" means "I can't fix this.") On the other hand, having a seperate database for logins of the Wiki is easier to do and will most likely not mess with existing infrastructure. It will be a bit annoying if it is on the same domain, as it will most likley mess with Chrome/Firefox auto-login cookies. If possible, I would prefer to have the same logins, but I understand that this might not be. Oh, I want to keep the name "Pull My Finger". It is a bit ingrained and funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Shine Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 <-Pull This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melkorthetonedeaf Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 This sounds like the best idea I've ever heard. Damn smart of you dudes as well. I'm on PMF and Battle College almost daily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHero Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I am for the idea too. What about the name "badthingshappen"? Using wyrd's phrase definitely conjures a lot about Malifaux IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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