Popular Post Lucidicide Posted October 1, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Hi everyone, As you may or may not be aware, Pull My Finger is a fan-made and fan-run website dedicated to Malifaux information and tactics. It has been around for a number of years, and has been extremely beneficial to the community. Wyrd wholeheartedly supports it. Recently, the wiki has asked to put up money to continue hosting the site. The community stepped up and offered to support the website, with a number of fans offering to just pay for it (either on their own or through group donations). At the time, it has been funded for the next year. Wyrd would like to offer a more permanent solution than this, however. We are willing and able to host the wiki on our website with its own special section. The wiki would continue to be fan-made and fan-run, with their own moderators, etc. It would have a separate log-in than the website. Very little would change except the website address and the fact that funding would not come up again in the future. One of the other advantages to this is that, by making it a part of this site instead of wikispaces, we will have more control over the layout. We can make it look a little better. Ultimately, Pull My Finger is a fan project and we want to keep it that way. We'd just like to offer this little bit of support. We can have a wiki up and running in almost no time at all for the information to migrate to and the community to continue to take advantage of. If this is something the community would find valuable, we'll proceed. If not, that's OK, too. Let us know your thoughts. 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rgarbonzo Posted October 1, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Personally when I first started Malifaux and then again with the group effort of updating the Wiki with new Masters from Wave 2 I found the information to be invaluable in deciding on a Faction and a Master. It's a wealth of knowledge when learning tactics and I'm sure that many new players who will get on the Malifaux Express will agree with me, I still use it now even after playing none stop for over a year. It would be a crying shame if we lose Pull My Finger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lucidicide Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 It would be a crying shame if we lose Pull My Finger. I agree, but I don't think that's in question. It's just where the repository of all things good (i.e. PMF) is located. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetorDragoon Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think it is the best option. We just need to get the technical stuff alright. It will be a shame if we lost stuff while migrating 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVBrandt Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalkris Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Thank you thank you thank you for this Wyrd staff! This is such a great move on your parts. I think that hosting PMF on the Wyrd website will, besides driving more traffic your way, keep you in great spirits with much of your playerbase (as opposed to just good spirits). I'd surmise that if you just let it fall by the wayside, some might have taken that as "oh, Wyrd doesn't care" and that's clearly not the case. So thank you once again for this proposal! ~Lil Kalki 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hateful Darkblack Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Thank you, Aaron! And thank you, Wyrd! I think hosting it on Wyrd, but leaving it fan-made and fan-run, would be super excellent. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Wall Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Having it connected to the wyrd site would certainly help to increase the wikis exposure, and continue to provide a great resource for new and veteran players. I jave found it to be a great resource. My only fear is that by having it hosted by the Wyrd website they are taking on some of the responsibility for what gets posted simply due to the fact that they would be hosting it. I would hope that would never lead to any sort of implications for the company. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 As long as it continues to be fan supported I'm all for it. While its not a resource I've used too often, I know it is invaluable and love seeing community support like this. It just helps show new players that a large base of players have shared their knowledge and that Wyrd games and the players of their great product love it so much they are willing to pour their free time into it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowopal Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I always felt weird (pun) directing people to a wiki instead of to Wyrd's site for info on crews and masters. This is a welcome change in my book. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhallan42nd Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matney X Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 As long as it continues to be fan supported I'm all for it. While its not a resource I've used too often, I know it is invaluable and love seeing community support like this. It just helps show new players that a large base of players have shared their knowledge and that Wyrd games and the players of their great product love it so much they are willing to pour their free time into it. I always feel weird directing my browser to a fart joke (a genre of jokes I generally abhor) for tactics. I fully support the move for Wyrd to host it, so long as it remains fan-supported. Honestly, that move would prove Wyrd to be the most fan-centric company out there -- they would be hosting a tactica wiki where other companies have been rumored to attempt to shut such wikis down. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brdparker Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Yep, that's the way to do it. And that's why I love this company. Thank you Wyrd! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I like it. I'm no tech expert, but if you think it possible without losing content or flexibility, I'm all for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asyouwish78 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Sounds perfect Aaron ! Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy in Suit Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Why can't we use our Wyrd logins? I find extra logins redundant and silly, and don't need some Person In Suit defaming my good name on PMF. Otherwise, carry on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFly TNT Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Big Thumbs up to Wyrd for supporting the efforts of the fan community! I think it's great idea for Wyrd to host the site but for it to remain separate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuttleboy Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I have a hard time believing that anyone would think this is a bad idea. Pull the trigger, let's go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarSol Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I've long wished more games would make a wiki part of their main website. They're just such a vital resource for researching the game and understanding options available before purchase. I can't stress how much I support this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cengler Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 While I appreciate the offer, I'm opposed to Pull My Finger being on web-space that Wyrd controls. This is an ideological opposition and not an indictment of Wyrd at all. It's encouraging to see Wyrd acknowledging, supporting, and even endorsing something like PMF. That's a lot more forward-thinking and giving than many other game companies are with this kind of effort so, for that, I thank Wyrd. Resources like PMF are best when they are fan-owned and operated. That's not to say that there aren't inherent challenges with fan-owned efforts but I would see PMF on company web-space as a conflict of interest. Not that I see this as a likely scenario but if PMF was moved to Wyrd's webspace and a decision was made within Wyrd to shut it down that could happen instantaneously, without fan input, and with no recourse. Again, I realize and acknowledge that Wyrd has cultivated a lot of goodwill and has not given any indication that they'd do this sort of thing but that's for the Wyrd Games we know in the here and now. Circumstances sometimes change. I realize this feedback will be an outlier and that's cool. I also acknowledge that the likelihood of what I'm concerned about most occurring is low. I only mention this because I, like I'm sure many others here, have scars from other game companies scuttling community-run resources for what never feels like a good reason. I'll also state that I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is and contribute financially to keeping PMF on Wikispaces or any other appropriate and independent web-based service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Resources like PMF are best when they are fan-owned and operated. That's not to say that there aren't inherent challenges with fan-owned efforts but I would see PMF on company web-space as a conflict of interest. Not that I see this as a likely scenario but if PMF was moved to Wyrd's webspace and a decision was made within Wyrd to shut it down that could happen instantaneously, without fan input, and with no recourse. Again, I realize and acknowledge that Wyrd has cultivated a lot of goodwill and has not given any indication that they'd do this sort of thing but that's for the Wyrd Games we know in the here and now. Circumstances sometimes change. Wyrd already has the rights to do this if they ever wanted to. If they did not like PMF regardless of where it was hosted they could send cease and desist to the web hosting company and owners of the content. It is their IP after-all. I think your point while ideologically sound, in no way represents that Wyrd has the power legally to do this. Now I would never expect that to happen as Wyrd has (from day 1 of PMF) supported it whole heartedly and looks to even be stepping up to be 'part of the community' rather than a 'dictator of the community'. Their support will be in $ instead of content, which I think is awesome. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I will also be helping making sure it all looks nice, Adding artwork if it's missing etc. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cengler Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 If Wyrd were to host PMF, what would be the terms & conditions of content ownership for fan-submitted material? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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