pyro gremlin Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 So guys i recently required a small hoffman crew but not sure what to add in it to make a 35 and 50ss list any help will be appreciated so far i have got Hoffman Mechanical Attendant Guardian Hunter Watcher Peacekeeper Mobile Toolkit Just unsure what else to add Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntrepeNinja Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Shameless plug: http://pullmyfinger.wikispaces.com/M2E+Hoffman There's some starting out crew selection stuff in there. That aside, a couple wardens would be a solid choice, and if you can find a single of Rule, to keep theme. Past that, another watcher or hunter could be good. And past THAT, you may wish to venture into the wonderful world of the arcanist for the likes of a metal gamin, Howard Langston, Joss, or Large Steampunk Arachnids (or a cadre of other spidery things). Beef up the robot lineup a bit. Past THAAAT... I'm currently on a Sidir Archibald kick, though there's no single, and you'd have to buy the full relic hunters kit. I also think either Abuela or Francisco wit Santiago are two person powerhouses. ENinja Ps. But seriously. Pullmyfinger. Many many words about our machine-minded friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro gremlin Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Sweet cheers dude already got the Ramos crew on order so gonna be basing them the same so i can swap robots around if i need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntrepeNinja Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 It's why we took the time to write the wiki. It's mostly populated now, with a lot of really good write ups in there. If you're thinking of running Ramos, you'll want to get a ton more spiders than just the box set, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro gremlin Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Definitely going to check it out and try and write so decent listsfrom it hopefully but is it worth looling into his Avatar to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntrepeNinja Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I didn't write an avatar section yet- as the rules are still in flux. Though he wasn't changing much as the beta intermission slowed... he basically was gaining a bit of his own armor, a bigger base, and a melee and shooting attack. I think that the avatar is pretty neat, and a good third option between remote mines and on site assimilation for a third playstyle- try and get avatared and BECOME THE BEATSTICK. It's an expensive model... I proxied mine because aesthetically I didn't love the cradling look of Hoffman and the robot... I would have loved it if he was standing strident atop his behemoth like a wish-fulfillment fantasy where he was everything he wanted to be. So I bought a big robot from some other game as a compromise. ENinja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durza Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Well technically he is, his mind is transfered into the robot, he's holding his body like that because he isn't in there anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Metal Gamin!! OH LORD ADD A METAL GAMIN! You can Power Loop in his Ca 8 making most of Hoffman's spells go off on a 2 or 4. They are amazing! Additional models that are utterly amazing with him are: Guild Warden : They gain a against models that have already activated and with the Targeting Systems mod from Hoffman they can get another, this makes the Paralyze Trigger from the Restrain Claw automatic which is a killer, it also allows for a Triple Critical if you flip or cheat a in. Howard Langston : To take him you need to take the Arcanist Assets upgrade (You'll need this for the Metal Gamin as well) but with Tagretting Systems Howard can use his nimble to walk into an engagement, and use his remaining actions to flurry with the from Targeting Systems he has both suits required for his Decapitate Trigger which causes instant death unless the opponent discards 2 cards/ss. It's utterly horrific as these attacks will be at Ml 7! It's a great way to force an opponents hand or ss pool to diminish and if you can time it right then they will lose a model they probably don't want to lose! 2nd Watcher : When scheme markers are a must take 2 Watchers. Upgrade one with Hydrolics and the other with Programmed Directive. This will allow one of them to gain Nimble so he can Interact, Walk then Interact or Double Walk then Interact. AMAZING! The other will have all it's interact actions cost lowered by -1. Again he can Interact, Walk then Interact or Walk twice then Interact for a (0) action. AMAZING! Rail Golem : I've used this dude a number of times and when he is Power Looped with a Guardian he becomes Df 6 and Ml 7. Add to this the Patchwork Plating upgrade and you have Armour +3! This makes for one nasty beat stick who is more than capable of wrecking anything that comes his way. Throw into this mix his ability to use Locomotion for extra attacks and movement he is incredibly scary. More scary than anything the Arcanists can do with him! Hope this helps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Dammit, now I want to try running Hoffman. (Be strong.....) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durza Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Targeting systems only works on guild constructs I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntrepeNinja Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Targeting systems only works on guild constructs I'm afraid. QFT. We wouldn't want Howard able to flurry with built in decap. It was probably added for exactly that reason. Rail Golem: Also, if you bring the mobile toolkit, you can use "The Right Tool" to either give him armor 4 (2 +1 (patchwork plating) +1 (the right tool)), a to his damage, or another to his attack (since he's already got one). If you've got him looped in, I'd say ml7 to attack and damage would be pretty baller. ENinja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro gremlin Posted June 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Thanks for the help guys appreciate all the advice and thinking of next buying ryle and a warden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnternalVoid Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 QFT. We wouldn't want Howard able to flurry with built in decap. It was probably added for exactly that reason. Might have had something to do with the feedback about that being a problem during the Beta. I second the Second Watcher myself. Cheap, easy activation most of the time, and can handle VP fairly well with the right schemes and Strategy. Also not required to be mixed in with Hoffman's Power Loop generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baalbamoth Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 I'm gonna try a hoff variant of this soon... http://wyrd-games.net/community/topic/100241-colette-%E2%80%93-the-adepticon-almost-master-of-malifaux-crew-creation/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntrepeNinja Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Only probably is mechanical rider and Coryphee aren't M&SU Constructs... So you've got a howard langston and a mobile toolkit. ENinja Edit: Unless you're looking to do the big three list... that's probably more feasable: Guild Crew - 50 - Scrap C. Hoffman -- 6 Pool +Arcanist Assets [1] +Field Mechanic [2] Howard Langston [12] Peacekeeper [11] Rail Golem [11] Sidir Alchibal [9] +Promises [1] Five activations. You give Rail Golem the Hydraulics, Peacekeeper the targetting systems, and hank the patchwork armor. Sidir gives literally everyone bonuses to attack and willpower, and you can loop everyone but sidir in and get pretty decent stats. I chose sidir over a metal gamin, a mobile toolkit, and a mechanical attendant, to try and stay in the great big punchy machine theme, but that's also viable. ENinja (again) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akaean Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 While I really do like Sidir, and think he has great potential in a Hoffman list, I would probably leave him be in a triple threat list. You are already hurting pretty badly for activation, and its such a shame to leave the watcher at home. Whenever I play Hoffman, while sure, the giant mechanical beaters like Ryle and the Peacekeeper are great at grabbing my opponents attention and providing a threat that they have to deal with, its the upgraded watchers who are out scoring scheme points, delivering messages, dropping scheme markers, doing whatever needs to be done. IIRC a big part of what made that Colette list so effective was its ability to score objectives. I feel that it is the Watchers which really provide that role in a Hoffman list. Dropping Sidir opens up enough space to take a pair of Watchers, which really opens the list up in terms of scoring schemes, while the opponent is scrambling to keep 3 massive constructs from crashing down on his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Targeting systems only works on guild constructs I'm afraid. So it does! Nice catch, glad I haven't actually used that combo yet! I was hoping to decimate my local Molly player with that combo... Alas, another tactic will be required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war_B00B Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 I can't but help stress the effectiveness of 2 watchers in a scheme marker depend game. It is very situation and because they only have 4 wounds you need to keep them well away from most things. If you start them close to Hoffman then you do "Shake down" on one so you have a scrap marker available for the "Hydraulics" upgrade. You can then burn a SS or not if you have the right card to cheat for the trigger, then give one the "Hydrolics" upgrade and the other "Programmed Directive". Then for the rest of the crew I normally run the following in a nice scary looking bubble. Hoffman -Field Repairs -Arcanist Assets(even if you don't use any arcanist constructs I like to take it. I normally have an upgrade on the peacekeeper so I can use "Frantic Repair" to drop a scrap marker and Heal Hoffman or the Peacekeeper. Then I can use "Improvised Repairs" to Heal everyone within 3" of the scrap marker. That leaves 2 more actions to either add upgrades, machine puppet, or loop in more constructs) Ryle Peacekeeper Warden or Hunter (if you want things to keep away use a Warden, or if you want to speed things up to you use a Hunter) Mechanical Attendant (Keeps your bubble free of blasts, he also saves you having to loop in a better Df for Hoffman as he is always looped in and give a Df5) Hoffman is such a useful support master, the only problem I have with him is he has so much he can do so deciding how to spend his three AP is difficult in the first few turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro gremlin Posted June 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Been workimg on writing a 50ss list for hoffman and this is what i got so far any improvements will be appreciated C.Hoffman Mechanical Attendant - 2 Watcher - 4 Watcher - 4 Guardian - 8 Hunter - 7 Warden - 6 Peacekeeper - 11 Ryle - 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntrepeNinja Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Weeeelll... it's 52 stones as it stands, and has no upgrades for any of your enforcers or higher. I would suggest dropping either a hunter or a warden, and unless you're facing someone with blasts or gross conditions you'd want to remove, the Mechanical Attendant, for some stones to spend on upgrades. Edit: Play with this, it'll help you with some of the math, and help keep which models can take which upgrades in mind. http://wyrd-games.net/community/page/malifaux_2e_crew.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro gremlin Posted June 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Cheers for the link dude what upgrades can hoffman take? And what do they do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akaean Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Check out the wave two cards. The arsenal pack isn't out yet but you can download them here http://wyrd-games.net/community/files/file/53-malifaux-wave-2-cards-low-rez/ That has all Hoffman's upgrades, and his rules. The 'must have' upgrade is 'Field Mechanic' as thart lets Hoffman give upgrades to your troops, and the pulse heal. OSA and remote mines are good, but more situational. Arcanist assets is needed if you want Arcanist constructs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro gremlin Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Thanks for the link gonna rewrite a list out now with the update cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuttleboy Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I'm in love with double Watcher when the pool has lots of marker based strategies. That doesn't mean I'll be taking those particular strategies every time, but the group I play with knows how fast the 2 Watchers (1 with Programmed Directive other with Hydraulics) can dump scheme markers. So for me the upgrade I start with is Field Mechanic and I make sure to get the trigger on Update Hardware so I can get both modifications out on turn 1. I also almost always use his 0 Shakedown every turn to get scrap I can use on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntrepeNinja Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I put watchers, necropunks, silurids, molemen, and tengu all in the same boat. Kill with no remorse- unless there is murder protege on the table, then be afraid. ENinja 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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