dope_danny

I know i'm not the only one that bought into The Other Side on here and it sucks to say but there has to come a point where you rip the band aid off, call a spoon a spoon and admit the game is never going to be what Wyrd intended it to be. The concept of the plugbases as hp was neat, many of the sculpts and worldbuilding aspects were cool but as a wargame its just a failed product. But that doesn't mean that has to be the end for the majority of the models. Malifaux Burns set up a really good excuse for The Cult of the Burning Man to show up on the other side of the Breach and i think it would be pretty cool to see some cards/rules for things from the game to be used as a crew in Malifaux. Imagine taking things like the Warped, the Broken, a couple of Stalking Portals and a Doomseeker as some roving band muscling in on the Resurrectionists turf or something? These aren't just some really cool models that deserve more love/life on the tabletop but theres a decent in world reason for the cult to be active in Malifaux as well as back on earth. Plus i don't doubt people wouldn't complain to use the other three factions for things like Neverborn for the Gibbering Hordes, Maybe add in Abyssinian models for The Explorers Society or as Outcast Mercs and throw some story reason for the Kings Empire to show up as allys to The Guild for their own interests maybe to rebuild London or something? The only one that seems a hard fit is the cult but they could follow the keyword alt master trend and emulate what TT originally were with each faction getting a cult themed master/alt inspired by the events of Malifaux burns? like maybe Nellie gets a Cult/Guild alt and can take things like Warped in her crew? something like that maybe? i know theres been a "beyond the breach" book spotted at cons in marketing and there was talk years ago now of Court of Two vs the Guild acting as a cross game go between but that always felt more like a way to try and get Malifaux players into The Other Side than the other way around and more power to them but it doesn't seem to be working. Hell asking around at my locals on Malifaux night most people don't even know what The Other Side is since the stores stopped stocking the army starter boxes before Covid hit. I know people get touchy with any perceived doomsaying about TOS but i would just hate to see those models get left behind in a game thats been at its very best struggling since day one and now feels like the perfect time to pull a Necromunda/Mordheim and give them some rules to at least allow some of those models use in the game we all love. Did you buy into TOS? have you touched your models in the last few years? would you also be interested in seeing them show up in malifaux? or do you still think theres some big audience waiting to buy into TOS to make two games worth it as a use of Wyrds resources?

I think its too late in my area. Not only did Corona kill most actual tabletop activity in general in the last year everyone i know that bought in have binned their TOS minis. Not shelved. Not resold. They threw them away in the trash because they thought it was simply a case of "it tried, it didn't get a market, its a shame but i need the space and will not play this again" and that sucks but even if Corona didn't happen post release has always felt like the sentiment from Wyrd was "you do the work, word of mouth the product for us" to a degree that you just don't see with Malifaux. I hope it does pick up but right now it looks like Wyrd thinks cross over rules for Malifaux will draw people in as though it wasn't mostly the Malifaux audience who bought all the product already. There is probably some Malifaux players who didn't buy in who might be more tempted but if this was done at release it wouldn't now have the added struggle of "i heard this game flopped/is dead" to put off those people. Is there a significant audience who had no interest and never bought into Malifaux who will pick this game over 40k, Age of Sigmar or hell even Warmachine or some other established wargame? Time will tell but if even the most positive outlooks are "i'm going to have to do the legwork and push it myself hard" its going to be an uphill struggle.

Now i just gotta see which infinity or shadowrun style bases will fit alt Mei 😛

My two main masters are Mei and Molly so boy i looked out with alts recently huh? -also inb4 tinfoils that the card art means we are getting a second 80's malifaux setting to lure in the shadowrun crowd with agnostic rules/characters with two sculpts.

I just came back from my FLGS and the owner was actually taking his personal Cult of the Burning Man models out of the display case he has for some of his personal stuff behind the counter and throwing them out in the trash to make room because "the games dead mate, haven't shifted any product in about 6 months and nobody plays it or asks about it" and the shelf that used to be used for it is now a second cabinet for M3E stock. I like the game a lot and its nice to see a larger scale thing in the Malifaux universe but unless they can turn it around "it doesn't have to be big as long as its fun" isn't going to go very far if its a money pit.

I thought he was meant to be what with the Mollly Nightmare box coming with a hat for him to match the theme but i checked three stores near me in the uk and even the one where the owners a diehard fan of game was like "huh, yeah i guess he fell of the back of a truck again or something?"

Did Archie get put back again? went into my local to pick him up with some recent repackages like Hinamatsu but the store said hes back to no date for release again.

Thats a steal but its probably a steal for a reason. I have one friend to play with but 8 FLGS's in my area that all play or have played Malifaux, even one with a regular Through the Breach group. But badly put together or warped preassembelled models put too many people off, which meant not enough people getting into the game which snowballed and so on and yadda yadda you get the idea. I like the game as a larger scale take on the malifaux system and the setting back earthside but its kind of hard to say its not at best a mild flop right now. Hopefully they can turn it around but they are still dealing with the mess of Malifaux 3rd editions launch and thats the big name money maker so TOS is probably going to have to wait. If it can of course.

i tried element games, firestorm games, wayland games and another i hadn't used before. On release day i got the Youko Box and a Fate Deck. I ordered 1 of everything bar the crew boxes. Its a wierd situation where the customer is going "i know this is free but let me give you money anyway!" but this isn't some industry giant like GW so its got to be a more impactful absence when they aren't selling stuff and giving it away for free. Personally i just prefer hardcopy rulebooks you can pass around at the table and sure i can pay to have it printed off by a 3rd party but thats just wyrd losing money i would rather give to them.

So its December, its now been 7 months since i was told stuff like the rulebook i preordered didnt show at any uk retailer i use and i had to rely on a pdf that means dragging my laptop to game stores or trying to play the pinch and squint game on my phone "until new stock showed up". I've been willing to wait patiently since its really just giving money to support a game you love when technically the rules are free but at the same time over half a year is a long time and the people i tried to get into the game with 3rd have gone beyond "dont worry it will get sorted out" a few months back to full on "fool me twice, shame on me" and its actually harder to find people to play with now than in the drought at the end of 2nd. Has there been any news about rulebooks? it just seems so odd trying to sell someone on a game going "oh but theres no rulebook you can buy yet" and getting a blank stare and a comment of "i thought you said this came out in june, how can i not buy a rulebook when even stuff like bushido has them and thats a game made by like four people" and what can you even say to that at this point?

We sit and wait, hope the game doesn't get dropped by everyone locally as they still wait for items 6 months in and unlike privateer press at some point wyrd gets out more product here but it just depends how many people are still waiting and didn't just move on at this point.

I've had this sad little pirate hat sitting on my shelf by my nightmare Molly Crew just waiting!

I ended up having to go to ebay for mine. Theres still folks i know waiting on their June preorders for lots of stuff.

Any update on the rulebooks yet?

Honestly -and i dont expect this to change- bad preassembelled models has put people off and i would prefer a kit. if i can assemble Molly's Necrotic Machine i can put a stalking portal together without massive gaps. To say nothing of horror stories like that abyssinia bike model that was bent like a question mark that was doing the rounds a while back. That put a lot of traditional tabletop players i know right off.