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  1. I don't find that a particularly fair argument. There is precedent - in the form of the "once per turn" ruling - that references to an action refer to that action on that card, rather than to other actions of the same name or copied versions of that action by other models. Myyrä's argument seems a very straightforward extension of that ruling. Going a step forward, and claiming that references to an action refer only to a specific casting of an action, is not supported anywhere in the rules or the FAQ. I do agree that this area could probably deserve an FAQ clarification. This isn't the only example of it coming up - I've run into it with Changelings/Doppelgangers copying Mr. Graves, and it will also now arise if Cassandra copies Prompt from Colette. So having a definitive answer would be nice. But until then, it certainly seems the most reasonable approach in my mind is to base this off the existing precedent of a similar scenario, and to me that seems clear that different models using the same named action count as using 'different' actions.
  2. My group tends to have the same opinion as Zebo regarding Von Schill. You can't point to any one area where he has a fatal flaw - he is just a little below the curve in a lot of areas. Which fits with his 'jack of all trades' design... but adds up to being on the low end of the curve with Masters. He has some cool features and a good player can (as with any Master) perform well with him, but he does feel like he could deserve some future tweaking, even just a bit more reasonable cache.
  3. That's certainly fair. I do think that Malifaux has a very high tendency for people to get blown away the first time they encounter something they aren't expecting. Whether it is facing a Master they haven't played before, or a combo between two models they didn't expect, that first experience can be overwhelming - and often demoralizing. At the same time, I don't think that those 'gotcha' effects are what needs to be targeted with errata. Models being powerful, and having unique and distinct capabilities, is a part of what makes Malifaux great. And, notably, there usually are answers to all of these things - sometimes in the crews you play, sometimes in the tactics you use or the schemes you choose. I know one player whose first experience against McMourning involved his entire crew getting absolutely wrecked by poison with very little he could do about it. A Chihuahua ran into the midst of his crew at the bottom of one turn (and then went again first the next round), and suddenly he had a ton of models suffering from Poison 4, while McMourning and Sebastian hung out nearby and amplified the poison effects. All without him getting to make any checks to resist - just like the worry about the Black Blood Bomb. Long story short, a turn or two later most of his crew was dead and turned into dogs, McMourning had expunged one of his best models into a Flesh Construct with a few high-Ca attacks and high cards, and he conceded right there and didn't play Malifaux again for a while. When he did return to playing, he refused to play against McMourning, believing him to be completely broken and an NPE. Eventually, he one day faced McMourning again - and won, since he knew what he was up against. He avoided clustering for the Chihuahua, focused on taking out the support pieces like Sebastian quickly, forced McMourning to overextend to get in range of key models, and ultimately was able to emerge victorious. Which is how things should be. One game of a powerful effect winning out isn't a reason to change things - it is a reason to look at what happened and figure out if there is any way to counter that effect or combo in the next game. In short, I think there is a difference between effects that have the potential to be strong - but can be mitigated by clever positioning or smart tactics or the right schemes - vs abilities that are reliably powerful with very few ways to respond to them. (Such as Ca 8 Lures, or Rooster Rider charges from 22" away, or Austringers threatening any vulnerable models that exited their opponents deployment zone.)
  4. I suspect he was referring to the fact that there is no duel to resist Black Blood Pustule, so the Shaman can target a friendly model near enemies and pulse potentially 4 damage onto the foe without them having a check to stop it. (Though armor would certainly apply). Which... I mean, that was always the design of how the Shaman was supposed to operate. The fact that his abilities didn't actually work together was a flaw in his design, which the errata is fixing, not an exploit being made available. Sure, Illuminated are a sturdy model to give Black Blood and use as a target node. They also aren't unkillable, and they both need to get to the enemy (and within 1") and have the Shaman follow to get within range without dying himself. And there are various counters in the game to dangerous pulses (Freikorps, Seishin, etc). For that matter, there are also various other ways to splash enemies with damage, such as by chain blasts off your own models. I've seen a Carrion Emissary dropping blasts off either a tough target (Izamu) or expendable ones (Mindless Zombies). Sure, it is more limited range that the Shaman - but the Emissary is also bringing a lot more to the table than a single cool trick. I've seen Molly drop a pair of Punk Zombies near enemies, and then they make use of Slice and Dice on both the enemies and each other - sometimes even with Crooligans around to really crank the damage up. I certainly think the Shaman is much more playable now, but I don't see a 14 SS investment in a pair of minions to be the 'killer combo' that it is being described as. I think it was mainly for the range. At least in my experience, the Austringer could threaten a huge swath of the table with the potential for 18" range, with an attack whose focused shots were potentially very lethal to many scheme runners. Without being able to expand their range, Austringers are still quite scary within their 12" bubble, especially hiding behind terrain - but I feel like they won't be able to just have complete free reign of the board anymore. (And will also need to be choosier about where they hide, now that range limitation is more of a concern.)
  5. Right, that seems to be the divide here. From my perspective, there are Auras that can directly cause damage, and then there are Auras that can indirectly cause damage. Hollow specifically refers to Auras that deal damage, and so only works on those. Misery directly deals damage when the right conditions are met. Wrath's Aura does not - instead, it just gives a modifier to any attacks that target people within the Aura. Those Attacks are what are, ultimately, dealing the damage. Similarly, if an Aura existed like you described, the Aura itself is not what would be dealing damage to the Lightning Bug. Instead, the Lightning Bug is taking damage from a Condition, even if the Aura is what caused the Condition to trigger early. Actually, let's compare to a similar situation with attacks: Kaeris Trigger - Engulf: "After applying Burning, the target suffers damage equal to its Burning Condition Value and then removes the Burning Condition." Eternal Flame - Flaming Detonation: "Target model with the Burning Condition immediately resolves the Burning Condition as if it were the end of the turn." Note that these two effects operate very similarly. However, there is a key difference. With the Kaeris trigger, it is Kaeris herself who is dealing damage to the model, and simply is calculating the amount of that damage based on the value of the Burning on the target. If the model is killed, Kaeris counts as the one who killed them. A model that reduces damage from Conditions would still take full damage from Kaeris, since the Condition is not actually dealing the damage. The Eternal Flame, on the other hand, is causing their Burning Condition to immediately be processed, as if it were the end of the turn. A model that reduces damage from Conditions would be able to successfully use that protection against the Eternal Flame's attack, since it is simply causing the Condition to trigger, not dealing the damage itself. Same thing with Auras. If an Aura caused your Poison to trigger an additional time, the Poison is what is damaging you, not the Aura. If an Aura caused a Poisoned model to simply take damage when activating, then the Aura is what is causing the damage (and thus Hollow would apply.)
  6. See, I don't think you can separate an aura from the ability is part of by saying it is 'just' a range measurement. Misery is an Aura that causes damage, not 'an Ability that causes damage which happens to use an Aura'. It is the same exact situation with Attacks. An attack which has a range of 2 is considered a "Attack". An Ability or Action which has an 3 as a range is considered an " effect". That is simply the shorthand the game uses, rather than constantly writing out, "Any Attack which has a range" or "Any Attack or Ability which has an range" when referencing such things. Look at, say, Lightning Bugs. It says they reduce the damage they take from all and effects by 1. If a Pulse never actually does direct damage (but is only a measurement for some other Ability that is dealing the damage), then their Ability would never actually work at all, right?
  7. I do understand what you are getting at. I think the key is that a blst is part of an attack, and thus subject to the rules for that attack plus the rules for being a blast. An attack being boosted by an aura, however, is not part of an aura, in the same way that an attack being boosted by a condition is not, itself, a condition. If I am immune to damage from conditions, and a model attacks me while having a condition that causes it to do +2 damage with attacks, I still take all of that damage.
  8. I think it does say you are immune to damage caused directly by auras - that is what "damage dealt" means. I think it would need much broader wording if it made you immune to all the damage-relevant effects of Auras, including ones that modify other effects or attacks on the board. Wrath's Aura, ultimately, does not deal damage to the target in the Aura. It just means that when other models attack that target, those attacks deal extra damage. As the 'dealing' of damage is coming from other sources, not from the Aura, Hollow does not apply. Count me in as another for whom it is pretty cut and dry that Hollow would not protect against Wrath's aura.
  9. Like everyone else, I've seen Lust in a lot of crews - her aura is the easiest to punish enemies with, her deck control is always useful, movement tricks are great, and she can hit surprisingly hard in the right situation (especially with the aforementioned deck control). I'm a big fan of Envy. Very straightforward, durable, ranged damage-dealer, who is competent in melee, and can help out many crews with the ability to hand out Focus. Wrath and Greed and Sloth all bring some nice pieces to the table, and I usually see them in crews specifically built to work well with him. Wrath paired with Barbaros, for example - Wrath can make Barbaros hit harder, or Barbaros can draw in attacks and bring Wrath's aura into play. Sloth offers debuffs and healing and the most generically functional of the auras - and has the keywords for some nice synergy with certain Masters. Greed has a great Df trigger and song attack, especially if you can copy it (with Hannah, Changelings, etc.) I've never had much luck with Pride, but it always feels like the anti-Cheat-Fate stuff should be useful. Gluttony has been even more difficult to make work. He has some nice tricks for clearing enemy scheme markers... but it always feels like there are easier ways to make that happen. I had one cool game where Jack Daw used him and Crooked Men in a nifty combo, but outside of that very specific crew, he just feels less versatile than the other Crossroads folks, and particularly overcosted within the Gremlins faction.
  10. Pretty sure it is just models. If the marker is moved, the first line of the statement ("enemy models") isn't applicable. Even if the movement effect originates from an enemy model, it is the marker that is ending a movement effect within the aura. In the same way that if the enemy used a push on your own models, the Dress doesn't stop them - it is your model that is ending a push effect within the aura, even if that effect was caused by the enemy.
  11. The Freikorps Specialist can be handy with Nurses and Sloth - heal your guys via Paralyze/Slow, then get 'em moving again with some fire at their backs!
  12. I do like the idea that a bunch of Silent Ones are too loud for the library, but it is totally okay with Howard Langston and a pack of wild animals roaming around and tearing the place up.
  13. I agree that dismissing complaints as a 'player problem' is not particularly helpful. (Or, in this case, accurate.) As it is, Vasilisa is my favorite model that I wish could be redesigned from scratch. She brings a lot to the table - great mobility and great support, both buffing and debuffing. She has an amazing upgrade for Collodi's crew. But she is also very pricy, for a 6 Wd model that is relying heavily on Df 7 to stay alive - and who tends to be towards the front of the line in order to make the most of her abilities. She pays the price for having a lot of everything, even though she rarely will have all her neat abilities actually coming into play at the same time. She is one of those models I view as a 'soulstone sponge' - she needs the right suit to power her best effects, and she needs soulstones to help stay alive, thus boosting her cost even higher. In particular, I look at her in comparison to some similar models from the same wave, Sammy LaCroix and Abuela Ortega. Similar stats and roles... but both are a few stones cheaper, while also having more reliability in the use of their abilities. None of this is to say that Vasilisa can't be played in a crew and have a good effect on a game, or that a skilled player can't make effective use of her. But she'll always feel a little too expensive for the job, and only really viable in crews heavily focused on taking advantage of her. (Unlike Sammy or Abuela, who are often worth taking in almost any crew or scenario.)
  14. Right - the Queen's Champion is easily one of the strongest upgrades in the game. But... you have to jump through some hoops to turn it on (and to get it on the right model you want it on). That seems to provide a decent balance for it. Honestly, my approach with Titania would be to take the upgrade but not worry about who ends up with it. If it ends up on Nekima, sure, she becomes an unstoppable force - but even if it ends up on a minion, suddenly that minion is tougher, stronger, and providing more utility than normal. I'd rather let the opponent worry about who gets it, and force them to play more defensively in response, which could lead to mistakes on their end.
  15. Grow lists are somewhat more viable these days now that there are more pieces for it (like Nekima and her upgrade, and the Black Blood Shaman, and new Nephilim options like Angel Eyes to take Rapid Growth). But, as much as I like Malifaux's upgrade system, the grow list is probably the worst representation of it - the need to take multiple specific upgrades on multiple specific models, and have very careful positioning to make sure the right models are in the right auras at the right time - and the potential to have the entire core of the list stop working as soon as the wrong model gets taken out - makes it a lot more fiddly than most people want to deal with, especially when so many other summoning crews can generate new models much more easily. That said, when it works, it can really work - Nekima dropping into the middle of some wounded models, spawning a tot by killing one via Black Blood, then killing a model to Grow that Tot, then the new Young Nephilim finishing off a wounded Enforcer to Mature... that can be amazing. Unfortunately, it is also something of a 'win more' situation - the list only tends to work when you are already in a winning situation. Ultimately, I treat it largely as a bonus - if I already have a Nephilim-heavy crew, and have room for the upgrades, I'll toss them in, and if they work out, that's great! But I don't usually build a list around it or try to make that my theme, since that typically leads to disappointment.