Kintaro

Looks really really good! I can't wait for an iOS version!! Well done, CrouchingMoose!! EDIT : WHOOPS! I should read the WHOLE thread HAHAHA!!!! Thanks MOOSE!!

NICE!! One thing strait away - the banner at the top seems to split as it's rolling over to the next pic, and hangs that way for a few seconds.

Posted here first, realized I should have posted there instead. Thanks though!

Oh yeah, the debate isn't whether he GETS the effect, just how much it would affect him. The thing is, IS the "healed wound" applied? The book says can't go above your max wounds, so it's discarded, not applied and THEN discarded. It can't be applied because there's nothing to apply it TO, see? The wyrd thing is, the book says wounds healed count back up, then "healed" wounds above the max are discarded. How can you count up something that's not there? This is the dilemma : ) The question of the hour hehehe... This is what I'm getting at, and I totally see the other interpretation, but you can't apply a heal to a wound that's not there! Did you not read my original post? I absolutely included the full txt of BOTH abilities : ) I'm also surprised it's not come up sooner. I've also highlighted and broke out sentence by sentence the quoted book bit about healing in your quote above. I disagree because the book seemingly contradicts itself. Everyone FOR the heal is looking at the last sentence in your quoted paragraph, while the two before it says you can't do that. And therein lies the issue. I tend to agree based on just the last sentence, because of the wording. It's the two before it that bother me. Taken together, it seemingly says "Heal counts up, then hits max, so the rest are discarded" which equals, at full health, a heal of ZERO, since healing renews wounds, and at full, we're adding zero. My opinion is that it clearly says that you are not allowed to add wounds where you can't. So even though the heal ability is +1, I feel that that one gets chucked at full health, effectively not counting. If we look at just the last sentence, the Regen is passed from the first model, who hasn't healed one because there's none to heal, and so the second model does the same thing, again bringing us to ZERO. Whether he gets the ability shared to him isn't the debate, it's the amount passed in the effect. Thanks for the feedback you guys!!! Keep it coming! ---------- Post added at 04:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:44 PM ---------- That's where I'm having the issue - this sentence seemingly contradicts the two before it. How can you apply a heal to a wound that's not there? I feel it's a syntax issue. ---------- Post added at 04:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:46 PM ---------- BTW, ultimately I just had the players flip for it and we went on with the game : ) ---------- Post added at 05:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:54 PM ---------- ONE MORE THING, JACKIIIIIEEEEE! Page 52 of the manual, for what it's worth, defines damage as WOUNDS REDUCED.

Hey all, so Lilitu's/Lelu's ability Regeneration says : Regeneration +1 : When this model activates, it heals +1 damage. And their ability Same oppressive/malignant force says : When this model heals damage or gains a condition from a source other than the same oppressive/malignant force ability, any friendly Lilitu/Lelu heals the same amount of damage or gains the same condition unless it discards two cards. So here's a situation we ran into tonight : Lelu suffered 5 damage, and when turn was passed to opponent, she activated Lilitu, who used her Regen, sharing with Lelu. Lilitu was at full health. She then attempted to heal on Lelu. The discussion that followed was that Lilitu "healed" one, so then so should Lelu. However, the counter argument was that since she was at full health, she didn't heal anything (IE zero) (per the RB that says if you're at full health, any extra are discarded), so Lelu shouldn't have healed anything either (IE zero). The Lilitu-controlling player then claims that she healed one - despite it being then discarded - so that Lelu gets the +1 heal "as well". Can you guys help? Would Lelu get the heal? Seems to two of the three of us that she healed zero, so he'd also heal zero. Also, can a Marshal weigh in here? Thanks everyone!!

Correct, according to the FAQ, you are not considered to have taken damage if the damage is zero. I see it as the flip side of this conundrum, IE if you "heal" zero, how can the other do the same EXCEPT to "heal" zero?!? And yeah, it's definitely a job for a marshal. I just realized I should have put this over in the rules forum. I'll repost it there. So one heals zero and the other heals "same amount" of 1? That makes no sense. Oh no not YOU again? LOL!! J/K All wounds above full are discarded...so she "healed" +0! Ultimately I asked the players to flip, and the player controlling Lilitu won so we went with the heal. I disagree with it working that way, but that's how we mitigated the issue so they could get on with the game.

Yep, that's exactly what I need to know : ) I don't know about flips, but the book does say if you're at full health it can't raise wounds above full, so they're discarded. My gaming experience tells me this means the "healed" amount is zero.

Hey all, so Lilitu's/Lelu's ability Regeneration says : Regeneration +1 : When this model activates, it heals +1 damage. And their ability Same oppressive/malignant force says : When this model heals damage or gains a condition from a source other than the same oppressive/malignant force ability, any friendly Lilitu/Lelu heals the same amount of damage or gains the same condition unless it discards two cards. so here's a situation we ran into tonight : Lelu suffered 5 damage, and when turn was passed to opponent, she activated Lilitu, who used her Regen, sharing with Lelu. Lilitu was at full health. She then attempted to heal on Lelu. The discussion that followed was that Lilitu "healed" one, so then so should Lelu. However, the counter argument was that since she was at full health, she didn't heal anything (IE zero) (per the RB that says if you're at full health, any extra are discarded), so Lelu shouldn't have healed anything either (IE zero). The Lilitu-controlling player then claims that she healed one - despite it being then discarded - so that Lelu gets the +1 heal "as well". Can you guys help? Would Lelu get the heal? Seems to two of the three of us that she healed zero, so he'd also heal zero. Also, can a Marshal weigh in here? Thanks everyone!!

I asked this a few days ago....and nothing yet.

I asked this a few days ago....and nothing yet.

LOL! Nah man, the 50s are only about 2" across, and everything that gives a range allows you to essentially toss whatever you're casting that far away (IE the closest edge would be 3"). Thanks anyway though! Cheers!

Title got ya in? Good. On the Smoke and Shadows upgrade, specifically Smoke Bombs, the stat line looks like this : (Ca 5 / TN: 13 / Rg: 3) You drop the two markers in base contact with "this model" (ie the caster). so what the heck is the Rg: 3 for?!? Is it something I'm just not seeing? Thanks for any help!

Looks to me like the model the Torakage is b2b with counts!

I did the same thing but tied black string around bundles of two each, then hand clipped them to size and inserted them into the bases. They look awesome! Good job on yours, also! Great tutorial!

Made my own as well, but with actual string tying them together. It's actually pretty easy.