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17 hours ago, Plaag said:

maybe u will read previous posts-warders can use chi and have any suit and fuhatsu is one of the best henchmans in the game, cannt find reason not to take him in every crew 

Maybe you read what I was replying to and see that my reply was to somebody saying they didn't think fuhatsu could use chi.

Also fuhatsu is definitely not one of the best henchmen in the game, he's good but so easy to get around. Weak 2 is not great. But each to their own.

29 minutes ago, Maniacal_cackle said:

Oh, I didn't know Fuhatsu could use chi. That makes a big difference, how does he do that?

He can't, so someone's playing wrong as he's not a Monk.

I don't think he's as good as people assume, make use of cover and keep him low damage 

@ScottishMetaLew over to you 😁

10 hours ago, Maniacal_cackle said:

What I like best about @santaclaws01 doing this is that everyone is like "Euri is garbage" and Santa just smashes some games with him.

You do know Lewis Philips has used euripides twice and is 8th after 2 wins right? 🤣🤣 he's also been posting euripides is best since pretty much start of m3e 

It all comes down to personal opinion to a degree I guess. There are a few the community agrees on but past that you will find different people think different things.

I would disagree with leveticus, zoraida, misaki for example, even shenlong is no longer there. Probably others I disagree with but there is more community backing for them 

10 minutes ago, Domin said:

This question was fully discussed in a Cadmus theme. 

Yup, a Cadmus model can relent against an attack coming from a parasited model. 

It's rules as they are written. 

Adran explained it best why they cannot. Rules as written requires 2 friendly models and if model A doesn't class model B as friendly there are not 2 friendly models.

38 minutes ago, Adran said:

If the rules asked for the defender to be friendly or the attacker to be friendly then this would work, but they don't. They ask for 2 friendly models and if a is friendly to b but b is not friendly to a then you only have 1 friendly model. 

thanks, much better at explaining than I did and simpler too  

Just now, Plaag said:

i just want to read as u like, not how it is written

How it's written is 2 friendly models. One of the models doesn't consider the other friendly so it's not 2 friendly models.

As said, we are going around in circles but eventually you will see I am right 

7 minutes ago, Math Mathonwy said:

It doesn't say "defender" but it does say "resisting model" which is often called a "defender".

I have to say that I'm not quite sure why Obey is relevant here.

But as a concrete example, if Fuhatsu has a Parasite Token and shoots Archivist, I believe that Archivist can relent since he's the resisting model and from his point of view it's two friendly models going about it.

I can see the logic behind the other reading as well but IMO the situation is far from clear and I would default to Archivist being able to relent.

Why would you default to that? It says 2 friendly models, at no point does the attacker (and therefore most likely active player) consider the cadmus model friendly no mater what the cadmus model thinks of him.

6 minutes ago, Plaag said:

we have 2 friendly models, so model can relent

its like the situation with face in the crowd-we have wordings and your thoughts abt how it should work

and wording says that modek can relent

They are not 2 friendly models, the attacker is attacking something that's not friendly to him, so it's no friendly models.

We have rules and your thoughts on it trying to break the game, like face in the crowd.

All will become apparent I'm sure and you will find I am right.

26 minutes ago, Plaag said:

u are right in 50 percent and me too

it is important only for defender-because he can choose to relent if he is atacked by friendly model and atacking model doesnt choose anything

except the rules say it has to be 2 friendly models, and they are not friendly. whilst you may treat it as friendly its still not friendly so therefore you cannot relent. you are not friendly to it, so half friendly models at best but still not friendly.

considering how powerful you already believe cadmus to be do you really have to try and rules lawyer something like this through (which is wrong anyway)

going around in circles here but you will see eventually (I hope). 

20 minutes ago, Plaag said:

nexus up says that opp with parasite may be treated as friend(so pg 26 is not abt this situation, because card is higher than rule), so from one side u have friend and enemy, from other-2 friendly models, why model cannt relent

because its not purely 2 friendlies, one side treats the other as an enemy. the enemy model you may treat as friendly but he doesnt treat you as such.

They are not friendly to each other, it's a one sided friendship so no 2 friendly models.

believe me, I'm right  

22 minutes ago, Plaag said:

relenting requires atacking model be friendly to defender, so relent works

As was pointed out with actual rules it says nothing about defender, it says 2 friendly models. 

Whilst cadmus may treat them as friendly it doesn't make them actually friendly, it's an unrequited love, only one way.

You can't relent with cadmus against models with parasite, they are still enemy models. 

For what it's worth page 26 tells you what a friendly model is,  its one hired into your crew, this never changes. A model with parasite may be classed as friendly but the models are still an enemy and a friend at best so not 2 friendly models 

2 minutes ago, Plaag said:

2 friendly models in opposed duel, resisting model can choose to relent, so cadmus can relent against enemy with parasite because he is friendly to cadmus

But the cadmus model is not friendly to the attacker so thus is not 2 friendly models. 

Relenting requires both models to be friendly to each other and you're not friendly to them so no relent.

54 minutes ago, Plaag said:

yes

also cadmus models can relent against enemy models with parasite as i remember

They can't as relenting says 2 friendly models in duels and though cadmus might see a guy with a parasite as friendly he doesn't see you as friendly so it's not 2 friendly models.

On 3/5/2021 at 8:41 PM, Plaag said:

 

and talking abt 15ss limitation for ook and versatiles-what should do keywords of parker, reva, mcmorning, nellie, seamus, perdita, mccabe and some others-that just need to hire those ook and versatiles to play on good, not op, level?

Amusingly I actually run all of those masters (well not seamus) normally with very little OOK so I could probably run my standard crews in a tourney like this.

24 minutes ago, RisingPhoenix said:

 

In other words, we can't recriminate about "should have beens", I think the way forward is to make ES 'not tournament legal' until 2022, and use this year as an open beta period. 

yeah, thats not going to happen, the models are being released and we have them all on vassal, the book is out also, fully printed, plus cards so people would not be happy if the entire faction changes after they put money into it

29 minutes ago, Adran said:

<MOD HAT>

I find the forums work a lot better for functional discussion if we follow the polite assumption that the people we are talking with are stating what they believe to be true.

If you think that people aren't doing so, then I would say the best approach is not to provoke confrontation on the topics. Assigning other motivations to other peoples actions and then accusing them of doing so will quickly cause threads to derail and produce nothing of use. 

If you think people are posting deliberately controversial posts then please report the posts, and don't react to them. 

Insulting people is not something that we want to happen on these forums. 

 

Apologies  wasn't meant to be an insult as I do see people I know fishing sometimes by being controversial, it can also create debate. That comment came from so far out though that I made what was obviously a bad assumption.

6 hours ago, Plaag said:

kirai have only drowned for summon as good model

If you think that I think you have ever played a decent kirai player.

Although the more I see of your posts I just think you're bored at work and fishing by dropping controversial subjects 🤣🤣

I think kirai would do well.

Again you have the summon options to throw away. Ikiriyo stops them passing damage around. Goryo have their decent attacks and a pulse damage against wp which is good into the faction. Then you have vengeance too so lots of extra stuff going on.

She also has jaakuna with a stat 7 lure which is highest in the game so can hopefully break up the bubble some.

each to their own I guess, I like to have at least 1 acolyte, I even have a crew with 3 of them.

As for stat 5, into explorers alot of them are wp5 or less so not a problem. Also brings tools for the job which is a nice card cycle allowing easier mutilate

I know you guys don't like raspy but don't think you use her keyword if you think she has no anti armour. 

I happen to like her keyword and acolytes who have analyse weakness 

3 minutes ago, Maniacal_cackle said:

Taking 6 strength two shots does seem good against some things (I'd like to see the Emissary take the hit 6 times ;p), but not sure it'd be enough.

Keen to see someone try it though!

I actually think her shockwave is better as lower masks required to get it off 6 times and hopefully plenty of targets near the marker. Plus is gives slow and staggered making subsequent markers hit easier.

Then you have more shockwaves from snowstorm and even the golem can contribute with his hazardous 2 aura

I do have to try some of these masters into explorers as I think they have uses.

Also raspy crew is fine 🤪

26 minutes ago, Maniacal_cackle said:

Anyone know how good ES condition removal is?

I know there is a bit of transmute triggers in Cadmus, anything else?

I wonder if traditionally 'bad' crews might be good against ES, but they haven't properly been explored.

Like maybe Kaeris and McMourning are sleeper OP against ES, or maybe Marcus is, or who knows. Very fun to experiment and try to find the solutions.

Honestly haven't tried it but I think mcmourning has game into explorers.

Only wp5 so no summoned brocken, hard to wound across the crew helps too. Also healing from poison doesn't happen during activation phase so is ok with jedza.

I do need to try this, could be interesting.

Then you have blasts from sonnia, shockwaves from wong, both from raspy. All the perceived weaker masters may have found their place.